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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 6:00 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Yep, another size 3!

Three obvious designs come to mind:
13-9-3-17-21-10-11
17-9-3-17-21-10-7
17-9-3-17-17-10-11

Lunger, PL, PS would seem to be best suited. He will be for Arena & Tourneys. Any other ideas out there? I'm not likely to go burner, I save those for the "almost" rollups.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 6:46 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I don't see too many other terribly viable designs, unless you do decide to go with some type of burner. Your #3 is the safest choice but not special at all, #1 as LU is likely what I would go with, also safe but dancing with little damage of course...#2 I would make a SL if the WT/WL were reversed, I've found the 7 DF SL to be a frustrating beast unless you've got that 21 WT going.

Something burner-crazy would be 14-9-3-20-17-14-7 BA. Burn it early or later with the ST/WT. The size 3 is a hinderance for the bigger weapons of course but WH works very well regardless. I've never pulled the trigger on the high WT basher yet, it could be fun!

In any case, you are very lucky to have this "problem!" Good luck with it!

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:18 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Stik wrote:
Something burner-crazy would be 14-9-3-20-17-14-7 BA


Burner-crazy? Pretty sure that looks like:
11-9-3-14-17-10-6 -> 12-9-3-20-20-10-10 (putting the last point on Strength to maximize the chance for normal damage (3 chances at 12 str, 13 str, and 14 str). And you can burn right off the bat or save it for a HUGE bust much later on.

Personally, I'd probably take the risky #1 design (possibly going 12 str/10 con - for the same reason I mention on my burner - max chances at normal damage without burning skills)
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:06 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

The first design is the Vengeance design and a very solid one. The only other design I would consider is your 2nd version of it. Grate on a very nice warrior! I'd go SL or LU probably.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 1:35 am Reply with quoteBack to top

_Buri_ wrote:
Yep, another size 3!

Three obvious designs come to mind:
13-9-3-17-21-10-11
17-9-3-17-21-10-7
17-9-3-17-17-10-11

Lunger, PL, PS would seem to be best suited. He will be for Arena & Tourneys. Any other ideas out there? I'm not likely to go burner, I save those for the "almost" rollups.


With burners off the table, we are not sure there are better choices than those you chose. We would love to try #2 as a SL and#1 as a PL. We would stay with #1 and #2,considering #3 a lesser.

We envy you and consider you a cretin for having stole this roll from us. Evil or Very Mad Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:15 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Your 1st 2 designs are perfect. PL and SL respectively.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 6:43 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Tripwire wrote:
Your 1st 2 designs are perfect. PL and SL respectively.


Even though he is a member of the Iron Council I agree Wink
Adding LU and possibly WS to the style choices

Very very nice RU. Team sheet or replacement?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:35 am Reply with quoteBack to top

gentleben wrote:
Tripwire wrote:
Your 1st 2 designs are perfect. PL and SL respectively.


Even though he is a member of the Iron Council I agree Wink
Adding LU and possibly WS to the style choices

Very very nice RU. Team sheet or replacement?


This was a team replacement, 2nd replacement for the nice Striker Manager killed at the F2F.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 5:52 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Assurnasirbanipal wrote:
Stik wrote:
Something burner-crazy would be 14-9-3-20-17-14-7 BA


Burner-crazy? Pretty sure that looks like:
11-9-3-14-17-10-6 -> 12-9-3-20-20-10-10 (putting the last point on Strength to maximize the chance for normal damage (3 chances at 12 str, 13 str, and 14 str). And you can burn right off the bat or save it for a HUGE bust much later on.

Personally, I'd probably take the risky #1 design (possibly going 12 str/10 con - for the same reason I mention on my burner - max chances at normal damage without burning skills)


I shouldn't have said "burner-crazy" cause it's definitely not as crispy as you could make it with the 20/20. Honestly that design would be very tempting for me, the bustout would be HUGE. Assur have you made bashers similar to the one I suggested? If so how did they fare?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 6:50 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Stik wrote:
Assur have you made bashers similar to the one I suggested? If so how did they fare?


Somewhere along the way I pretty much stopped making bashers lower than size 7. I wouldn't condemn anyone for doing it and there are more than a few that have succeeded at various levels.

The reasons I limit my bashers to size 7 or greater:
1) Damage. Bashers really need good or better damage at the start and for those silly/stupid enough to run them past graduation, tremendous is just not very exciting.
2) Weapon selection. The size 9 weapons are nice. I view QS as the best overall weapon in basic. GS the best in ADM. ML is beautiful given the requirements. (And yes, I'll use those weapons with size 7/Cool
3) As much as I completely love bashers, I do enjoy running the other 9 styles. By using the size 3-6 setups on the other styles, I get to run those styles (and while it is funny to joke about me making every single size 7-21 guy a basher, that isn't true. I roll a ton of bashers, yes, but I've also become more picky in what I require bashers to have, even before I start to roll them...)

As far as your setup in particular:
1) Beautiful overall skills, with an effective 21/17 wit/will.
2) Assuming he avoids little damage (which most of the time he will between the starting roll and the train to 15 - or 16 if needed), the overall physicals are just fine (G/N). I still don't like the normal damage, but you have no choice and I've had successes with normal damage (though more failures than successes)
3) I hate his weapon selection. If he is one of the few bashers that doesn't like WH, you may have trouble. That said, WH is a fantastic weapon in basic and most bashers don't hate it.

My small basher grads:
13-9-6-17-15-13-11 B (graduated 15-7-1, rolled N/N, no tourneys)
11-21-6-11-15-9-11 B (graduated 21-17-0, rolled G/N, only tourney was 6-3 adepts)
13-10-3-15-21-13-9 B (graduated 19-9-1, rolled G/N, only tourneys 1-3 apprentices, 2-3 freshmen)
11-9-6-21-12-14-11 B (graduated 17-8-0, rolled N/L, improved to Normal damage with one str train, best tourney was 4-3 adepts)
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 6:52 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Assurnasirbanipal wrote:
That said, WH is a fantastic weapon in basic and most bashers don't hate it.


That should read fantastic bashing weapon. (bashing weapons by definition are not fantastic)
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 7:54 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Thanks for the replies. At this point, I'm inclined to go with design #2 as a SL. The idea of guaranteed good damage and great endurance is too hard to pass up. I can't handle another VL damage!
I've had Lungers like #1, and they can be frustrating... I had one years ago that was 13-4-4-17-21-10-15 with +10 overall bonuses, normal damage, and 83 base, ran him all the way to Primus, and got nothing to show for it. Not even a single TV.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 8:21 am Reply with quoteBack to top

_Buri_ wrote:
Thanks for the replies. At this point, I'm inclined to go with design #2 as a SL. The idea of guaranteed good damage and great endurance is too hard to pass up. I can't handle another VL damage!
I've had Lungers like #1, and they can be frustrating... I had one years ago that was 13-4-4-17-21-10-15 with +10 overall bonuses, normal damage, and 83 base, ran him all the way to Primus, and got nothing to show for it. Not even a single TV.


We said it first, so do we get the warrior, Burri? Wink
Good luck with him.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 5:59 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

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We said it first, so do we get the warrior, Burri? Wink
Good luck with him.


Well, with luck, maybe you can get to watch him go deep in a tourney!

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:25 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

SL is the right style IMO. I have good feelings about it.


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