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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:27 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Managerr wrote:
There are 856'ish team RU sheets.


I stand corrected.

I thought I read elsewhere that the range was 200-250.

If it is ~856, then the fpc starts kicking in after about 40-45 draws.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:40 am Reply with quoteBack to top

well if there are now 800 plus team sheets that a pretty big change the last time i bought 125 i got duplicates


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:10 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

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well if there are now 800 plus team sheets that a pretty big change the last time i bought 125 i got duplicates


There've always been 800+. Back when I was in DOA, we logged almost all of them. When you get duplicates, you'll notice that the difference in control numbers is always a multiple of 856.

You can always get duplicates even when you buy 20.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:44 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Managerr wrote:
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well if there are now 800 plus team sheets that a pretty big change the last time i bought 125 i got duplicates


There've always been 800+. Back when I was in DOA, we logged almost all of them. When you get duplicates, you'll notice that the difference in control numbers is always a multiple of 856.

You can always get duplicates even when you buy 20.


800 + sheets okay, but does anyone know how many different warriors it is possible to design with 6 stats with #'s between 3-21, surely more than 800?

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:49 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Managerr wrote:
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well if there are now 800 plus team sheets that a pretty big change the last time i bought 125 i got duplicates


There've always been 800+. Back when I was in DOA, we logged almost all of them. When you get duplicates, you'll notice that the difference in control numbers is always a multiple of 856.

You can always get duplicates even when you buy 20.


So, what do you consider to be the "Holy Grail" of team ru sheets? The double 21 sheet? Just curious.

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So, what do you consider to be the "Holy Grail" of team ru sheets? The double 21 sheet? Just curious.


Yes, the one with 2 Double-21's and 4 runnable warriors on it.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:49 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Pulled a good one today.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:00 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Thats the perfect example of a ru that should be eliminated. That is a waste of money to DA and get that back. That type is why people spend $5 on a new team rather than money in the DA. And for those of us that do run in the regular arena too...some seem to think tourney managers only fight in tournies..we also run in arenas too, this type of rollup gets real old after 2 months pass and thats all you get. The ru pool just needs to fixed for all.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:36 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Managerr wrote:
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well if there are now 800 plus team sheets that a pretty big change the last time i bought 125 i got duplicates


There've always been 800+. Back when I was in DOA, we logged almost all of them. When you get duplicates, you'll notice that the difference in control numbers is always a multiple of 856.

You can always get duplicates even when you buy 20.


Guess you learn something new every day, even in the world of the mega's. 800+ sheets, all logged...damn, guys! Shocked

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:51 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

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800 + sheets okay, but does anyone know how many different warriors it is possible to design with 6 stats with #'s between 3-21, surely more than 800?


Lotsa factorials involved in that calculation.

Now I'm not gonna be able to let that one go until I figure it out! Mad Mad

Oh well, time to dig out the discrete math text... Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:18 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

pipthetroll wrote:

Your assumptions are wrong.
1.Nowhere near 50% are even decent. 15-20% of the DA replacements will not be able to achieve 15 wit or wil after adding.
2.The DA pool isnt a pool, its random. There are hundreds of thousands of possible replacements, if not millions. Effectively, your chances of getting the same replacement are very slim.


Strangely enough, if you define "good" as the best 15-20%, and you increase the number of "good" rollups, it will cause an even greater disparity between the lucky and unlucky (i.e. the variance of the draw increases).

Probability just isn't fair.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:38 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

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well if there are now 800 plus team sheets that a pretty big change the last time i bought 125 i got duplicates


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Hmmm...
This one's pretty hard to model given the tools at hand...

Best guess is 4 redundant sheets, maybe 5.

Am I close?

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:26 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Woody wrote:
guardian wrote:
well if there are now 800 plus team sheets that a pretty big change the last time i bought 125 i got duplicates


guardian


Hmmm...
This one's pretty hard to model given the tools at hand...

Best guess is 4 redundant sheets, maybe 5.

Am I close?


They actually started repeating in sequence. Guardians 125 was a while ago tho, I got 151 and there were no repeats.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:35 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Woody wrote:
Maximillian wrote:

800 + sheets okay, but does anyone know how many different warriors it is possible to design with 6 stats with #'s between 3-21, surely more than 800?


Lotsa factorials involved in that calculation.

Now I'm not gonna be able to let that one go until I figure it out! Mad Mad

Oh well, time to dig out the discrete math text... Rolling Eyes


If it was 7 stats from 3-21 with no 70 point limit, it would be 18^7. That would be just the possible combinations of them, not their probbility of occuring.With the limit it becomes complex enough that I'll wait for woody to figure it out. I'd guess its over a million.

Possible # of team sheets would be (woody's answer)^5, quite a few more than 856.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:55 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

pipthetroll wrote:
Woody wrote:
Maximillian wrote:

800 + sheets okay, but does anyone know how many different warriors it is possible to design with 6 stats with #'s between 3-21, surely more than 800?


Lotsa factorials involved in that calculation.

Now I'm not gonna be able to let that one go until I figure it out! Mad Mad

Oh well, time to dig out the discrete math text... Rolling Eyes


If it was 7 stats from 3-21 with no 70 point limit, it would be 18^7. That would be just the possible combinations of them, not their probbility of occuring.With the limit it becomes complex enough that I'll wait for woody to figure it out. I'd guess its over a million.

Possible # of team sheets would be (woody's answer)^5, quite a few more than 856.


I meant 7 actually. (typo)

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