Shadowspire All-Scar Challenge

Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:30 pm

Tripwire wrote:

I don't know how avoids work. I thought it kept you from fighting the team you are avoiding? I didn't realize it didn't count for random matchups.

Basically, when my warrior's challenges are checked, they look at the avoids for that warrior. If either avoid is for my warrior's team (for me in general in ADM), then there is a 75% chance that challenge will fail. If my first challenge is avoided, or if the warrior is not available for any other reason, then the second challenge is checked using the same rules.

Double challenging the same warrior means that if my target is available at the time my warrior's challenges are checked, then I simply make a second shot at that chance to get around the avoid. Basically, double challenging chances the odds of a successful avoid from 3:4 to 9:16, but only if the challenged warrior is fighting and not already matched up.

Oh, and avoids only have a 20% success rate against a bloodfeud.

Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:35 pm

Tripwire wrote:

Kellumbo wrote:

PS. I wonder if all the other people who downchallenge *Because they do it!* will then stop as well...

No. I will continue to DC. Its a normal part of the game for me and I won't change that. I also won't avoid. The only people I may start avoiding is my own alliance mates. As we seem to have a bunch of inits now.

You did say you would start avoiding, but you did not say who you would avoid. You could always avoid teams that have no chance of challanging that warrior so that you can stick to your pledge and still hold to your own guns and not avoid anyone who can challange you, so there for we can clearly not choose the wine in front of you Confused

Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:20 pm

Ichabod wrote:

Tripwire wrote:

I don't know how avoids work. I thought it kept you from fighting the team you are avoiding? I didn't realize it didn't count for random matchups.

Basically, when my warrior's challenges are checked, they look at the avoids for that warrior. If either avoid is for my warrior's team (for me in general in ADM), then there is a 75% chance that challenge will fail. If my first challenge is avoided, or if the warrior is not available for any other reason, then the second challenge is checked using the same rules.

Double challenging the same warrior means that if my target is available at the time my warrior's challenges are checked, then I simply make a second shot at that chance to get around the avoid. Basically, double challenging chances the odds of a successful avoid from 3:4 to 9:16, but only if the challenged warrior is fighting and not already matched up.

Oh, and avoids only have a 20% success rate against a bloodfeud.

You guys have way over analyzed this. Trip said he would start avoiding his alliance mates. What he didn't tell you is that he invited me to be one of his alliance mates. Now he can avoid me and protect his record.

ArchMaster Poster Joined: Mar 10, 2008 Posts: 1999

Elephant wrote:

Ichabod wrote:

Tripwire wrote:

I don't know how avoids work. I thought it kept you from fighting the team you are avoiding? I didn't realize it didn't count for random matchups.

Basically, when my warrior's challenges are checked, they look at the avoids for that warrior. If either avoid is for my warrior's team (for me in general in ADM), then there is a 75% chance that challenge will fail. If my first challenge is avoided, or if the warrior is not available for any other reason, then the second challenge is checked using the same rules.

Double challenging the same warrior means that if my target is available at the time my warrior's challenges are checked, then I simply make a second shot at that chance to get around the avoid. Basically, double challenging chances the odds of a successful avoid from 3:4 to 9:16, but only if the challenged warrior is fighting and not already matched up.

Oh, and avoids only have a 20% success rate against a bloodfeud.

You guys have way over analyzed this. Trip said he would start avoiding his alliance mates. What he didn't tell you is that he invited me to be one of his alliance mates. Now he can avoid me and protect his record.

Protect what record? lol.

ArchMaster Poster Joined: Sep 05, 2005 Posts: 1316

Elephant wrote:

JGW, Shadowspire isn't for the weak, so you and your monies would be better served in a slow arena.

I think Swine was just gauging interest and input into a concept he had. Looks like he abandon the idea yet there's still fussing?

Some may play your games, but I will not.

Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:22 pm

JGW wrote:

Elephant wrote:

JGW, Shadowspire isn't for the weak, so you and your monies would be better served in a slow arena.

I think Swine was just gauging interest and input into a concept he had. Looks like he abandon the idea yet there's still fussing?

Some may play your games, but I will not.

Couple of things here.
1) Responding would be playing into my so called game. You did, you lose.

2) Swine clearly stated he was abandoning the idea yet you come on here after the fact and take a cheap shot at him for his concept. So who's really playing the game?

Good luck to you in your slow area and Happy St. Patty's Day.

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:55 am

Elephant wrote:

JGW wrote:

Elephant wrote:

JGW, Shadowspire isn't for the weak, so you and your monies would be better served in a slow arena.

I think Swine was just gauging interest and input into a concept he had. Looks like he abandon the idea yet there's still fussing?

Some may play your games, but I will not.

Couple of things here.
1) Responding would be playing into my so called game. You did, you lose.

2) Swine clearly stated he was abandoning the idea yet you come on here after the fact and take a cheap shot at him for his concept. So who's really playing the game?

Good luck to you in your slow area and Happy St. Patty's Day.

The Swine did, indeed abandon his "event" idea. Not that there is anything wrong with an event, just not in Shadowspire. We give Swiney credit for his interest and desire to try something fun. Kudos. His quick abandonment assures that Shadowspire will have a Consortium team soon.

Meanwhile, The Slow Arena "Throwback" awaits new blood and a same great sense of competition as Shadowspire.

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:44 pm

Kudos to Swine for getting farther in the creation of his Shadowspire contest than I did, though perhaps not as far as Deke.

There is a bit of overreaction to even the mention of the word "contest". None ever got off the ground, yet people left the arena at the first mention of one back around turn 10.

At the same token, if people want to run private contests for fun, IMO they should feel free. Would anyone really leave because two teams are in a head-to-head for points, bragging rights, or whatever? They do that anyway, they just don't have a prize. Does the fact that Kellumbo and GentleBen tally their wins and losses against eachother cause anyone's stomach to turn? Or perhaps the race to 200 wins is seen by some as offensive?

You stick a bunch of teams in an arena, naturally people are going to want to have competitions. If people don't want them to be public to the point where others feel impacted, fair enough. But outside of that should people really be telling anyone else how to enjoy the game, as long as it is within the arena rules?

ArchMaster Poster Joined: Sep 05, 2005 Posts: 1316

Elephant wrote:

JGW wrote:

Elephant wrote:

JGW, Shadowspire isn't for the weak, so you and your monies would be better served in a slow arena.

I think Swine was just gauging interest and input into a concept he had. Looks like he abandon the idea yet there's still fussing?

Some may play your games, but I will not.

Couple of things here.
1) Responding would be playing into my so called game. You did, you lose.

2) Swine clearly stated he was abandoning the idea yet you come on here after the fact and take a cheap shot at him for his concept. So who's really playing the game?

Good luck to you in your slow area and Happy St. Patty's Day.

First, ST is a friend. No cheap shots meant. I went back just now and noticed the comment at the top of the second page. My oversight before posting.

Second, if I'm playing your game then you can win. I'm not about winning childish games. Anyways, ST is a big man, and he certainly doesn't need the likes of you trying to protect him.

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:19 pm

JGW wrote:

ST is a big man, and he certainly doesn't need the likes of you trying to protect him.

Since I'm friend's with both of you, I will say that I appreciate Elephant for clarifying that my initial post was merely an audit to gauge interest and that I appreciate you acknowledging your oversight. Everything else, you two can work out on the sands - if we can't have contests, we should at least have rivalries. Smile

I also happen to like Andruil's post.

SwineTiger

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:56 am

The Consortium wrote:

His quick abandonment assures that Shadowspire will have a Consortium team soon.

Did we hear you correctly?

ArchMaster Poster Joined: Sep 05, 2005 Posts: 1316

AndruilTheAncient wrote:

Kudos to Swine for getting farther in the creation of his Shadowspire contest than I did, though perhaps not as far as Deke.

There is a bit of overreaction to even the mention of the word "contest". None ever got off the ground, yet people left the arena at the first mention of one back around turn 10.

At the same token, if people want to run private contests for fun, IMO they should feel free. Would anyone really leave because two teams are in a head-to-head for points, bragging rights, or whatever? They do that anyway, they just don't have a prize. Does the fact that Kellumbo and GentleBen tally their wins and losses against eachother cause anyone's stomach to turn? Or perhaps the race to 200 wins is seen by some as offensive?

You stick a bunch of teams in an arena, naturally people are going to want to have competitions. If people don't want them to be public to the point where others feel impacted, fair enough. But outside of that should people really be telling anyone else how to enjoy the game, as long as it is within the arena rules?

I guess it really comes down to people's definition of "old school duelmasters." To me that is an arena with no contest and no tournament influence. That is why a contest in 81 or 83 is unappealing to me.

Everyone can have their own opinions.

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:52 pm

Ichabod wrote:

Basically, when my warrior's challenges are checked, they look at the avoids for that warrior. If either avoid is for my warrior's team (for me in general in ADM), then there is a 75% chance that challenge will fail. If my first challenge is avoided, or if the warrior is not available for any other reason, then the second challenge is checked using the same rules.

Double challenging the same warrior means that if my target is available at the time my warrior's challenges are checked, then I simply make a second shot at that chance to get around the avoid. Basically, double challenging chances the odds of a successful avoid from 3:4 to 9:16, but only if the challenged warrior is fighting and not already matched up.

Oh, and avoids only have a 20% success rate against a bloodfeud.

Interesting. What are you basing your %s & ratios on?

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:20 pm

Elephant wrote:

Ichabod wrote:

Basically, when my warrior's challenges are checked, they look at the avoids for that warrior. If either avoid is for my warrior's team (for me in general in ADM), then there is a 75% chance that challenge will fail. If my first challenge is avoided, or if the warrior is not available for any other reason, then the second challenge is checked using the same rules.

Double challenging the same warrior means that if my target is available at the time my warrior's challenges are checked, then I simply make a second shot at that chance to get around the avoid. Basically, double challenging chances the odds of a successful avoid from 3:4 to 9:16, but only if the challenged warrior is fighting and not already matched up.

Oh, and avoids only have a 20% success rate against a bloodfeud.

Interesting. What are you basing your %s & ratios on?

The Enchiridion says if you challenge, and they don't avoid, when the program checks your warrior's challenge, if the person you are challenging hasn't been paired up yet, you will have 100% success rate in getting the challenge through.

If they are avoiding your warrior, it is only 20% success rate.

If it is a bloodfued, then you still have an 80% success rate.

This information comes from Pagan, according to The Enchiridion.

-DK

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:17 pm

Quote:

If they are avoiding your warrior, it is only 20% success rate.

If it is a bloodfued, then you still have an 80% success rate.

This information comes from Pagan, according to The Enchiridion.

Just FYI, Those numbers "sound" right, but the source is less than credible.