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PurpleSage
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:24 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Woody wrote:
The Consortium wrote:

"if arena replacements were better, would/could that enhance/improve (in volume) arena play?"



Here's an idea:
If you graduate a warrior from basic, and he has at least 20 arena fights, the replacement for your graduate is an 87 pointer.

This would:
-Increase arena participation
-Suck off some the the challenger sandbaggers back into the arena
-Increase the freshmen tourney participation
-Level the playing field some at the rook/app/init tourneys
-Reduce the problems associated with the bigger rollups

This would not:
-Affect the competitiveness at the higher levels
-Require any code changes, rollup database changes

It would be difficult for anyone to severely unbalance the rookies tourney by a flood of 87 pointers. If they could, then they've earned it by their contributions to the arena part of the game.


I have not read through everything and have no awesome data to put forth only opinion. I think this Idea is really kool. A zero cost to RSI and rewards regular arena play. Could easily be handled by a 3 +1 stat potion on graduation for a new RU in that arean only. Still reading. Still catching up.

Sincerely Purple Sage
P.s. I still think alomost all RU's are runable just not tourney worthy. notice I did not say graduateable. A high physical RU can win upto adepts without high skill learns or 3 point per stat increses. Figure 2 points per stat a RU is good for 12 fights in a perfect stat learn.
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PurpleSage
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:36 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Final.

That would not work either. the Sandbagers would drop inot the arena to graduate and start with a bonused warrior. Oh well guess we acccept the type of track and the limitations of the car we are given and run the best race we can.

Sincerely Purple Sage
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:42 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Same old, same old... I just bailed on Arvat, my flagship arena, because despite having three teams there, I can't seen to get anything good back from the Dark Arena. So why bother? Unless you have big bucks to throw at new team sheets (which I don't want since I like my established teams) or at the Dark Arena, it becomes too costly for any player with a small budget...
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:01 am Reply with quoteBack to top

FYI, below you will find the the appx 50 arena replacement rollups last received by The Consortium. This encompases appx 15-20 misc arenas.



13 14 9 6 11 7 10
9 10 9 9 9 9 15
13 4 17 8 4 12 12
10 10 13 6 7 10 14
13 14 10 10 5 12 6
10 14 6 14 10 6 10
9 10 9 11 8 9 16
5 7 13 8 12 19 6
3 14 11 14 9 9 10
10 11 9 11 12 10 7
12 7 14 8 10 12 7
9 9 8 12 9 10 13
7 8 12 6 12 15 10
6 14 9 8 10 10 13
9 11 12 10 6 7 15
12 3 12 12 10 5 16
16 6 12 9 4 12 11
4 14 10 9 18 10 5
7 15 15 3 10 12 8
18 11 5 9 4 18 5
5 10 10 13 10 10 12
14 11 3 14 10 9 9
7 14 7 10 12 16 4
5 13 10 13 4 10 15
13 12 6 5 9 17 8
5 14 10 15 13 4 9
3 14 17 11 10 7 8
12 7 10 4 16 11 10
13 9 16 6 10 3 13
10 10 17 4 16 9 4
3 9 13 14 13 10 9
15 9 13 10 11 3 9
9 10 19 4 9 9 10
10 16 6 11 14 4 9
4 13 11 13 11 8 10

10 17 12 15 3 9 4
9 12 12 10 3 15 9
6 11 14 12 8 9 10
5 11 8 13 16 14 3
3 17 12 9 8 6 15
14 9 12 4 19 8 4
8 5 11 6 9 10 21
12 7 16 9 7 5 14
9 11 9 9 5 15 12
3 17 12 9 8 6 15
9 10 12 8 8 13 10
4 9 12 10 13 9 13
9 12 12 9 6 12 10
4 17 10 4 11 10 14
11 11 10 12 9 8 9
5 10 12 4 19 10 10
10 12 12 10 10 13 3
8 9 6 13 10 11 13
9 4 11 8 13 15 10
15 6 12 7 6 13 11
4 10 14 19 8 5 10
10 12 4 5 9 17 13
7 3 17 9 11 10 13
6 12 14 10 10 5 13
5 3 9 17 9 12 15
12 13 10 9 6 10 10

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:13 am Reply with quoteBack to top

A cursory look through your data it apears that really big guys are not your luck but some short 3-6 are. Also that you love getting 12 size guys lol.

Just having fun thanks for the data to look at.
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The_Walkin_Dude
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:19 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I'm not big on the number-crunching and such, but what if you just had a CHANCE of getting a new RU with 87 points? Maybe a 5% chance of getting it. Wouldn't that entice more folks into arena play without causing a severe imbalance?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:14 am Reply with quoteBack to top

They're not going to give out 87 point rollups.

What they COULD do is actually make rollups random instead of having a set pool of rollups as opposed to a bunch of pre-set rollups again and again.

Because with random chances you'd have a lot better chance of getting a decent rollup to run than there is now.

I didn't study Wayne's replacements in detail, but simply scanned down the list looking at wits and what are there, like 2 possible 21 witters (15-21 starting wit) in that large number of replacements? He definitely had a lot more 15-21 size guys than that. And his replacements definitely look a hell of a lot better than mine usually do...

Vote for random replacement rollups today!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:30 am Reply with quoteBack to top

theDarkOne wrote:
They're not going to give out 87 point rollups.

What they COULD do is actually make rollups random instead of having a set pool of rollups as opposed to a bunch of pre-set rollups again and again.

Because with random chances you'd have a lot better chance of getting a decent rollup to run than there is now.

I didn't study Wayne's replacements in detail, but simply scanned down the list looking at wits and what are there, like 2 possible 21 witters (15-21 starting wit) in that large number of replacements? He definitely had a lot more 15-21 size guys than that. And his replacements definitely look a hell of a lot better than mine usually do...

Vote for random replacement rollups today!!!


Did an analysis of the replacement rollups (as opposed to team sheets).
It it is a pool, it mimics random generation effectively.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:38 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Consortium's last 50 had an mean SZ of 11.1 and a standard deviation of 3.3 .
(If I loaded them into the spreadsheet correctly)

The SZ distribution of replacement rollups is normally distributed with a mean of 12 and a standard deviation of 4.

This run of 50 would qualify as being a little on the "lucky" side, but not grossly abnormal.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:59 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Woody wrote:
Consortium's last 50 had an mean SZ of 11.1 and a standard deviation of 3.3 .
(If I loaded them into the spreadsheet correctly)

The SZ distribution of replacement rollups is normally distributed with a mean of 12 and a standard deviation of 4.

This run of 50 would qualify as being a little on the "lucky" side, but not grossly abnormal.


Woody!

You have been gone for awhile!

Any chance of the Light Brigade returning to Sunset? Your roster is missed.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:14 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Might be out for awhile yet.
Other priorities have displaced DM.

Hopefully will be back early next year.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:17 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Woody wrote:
Might be out for awhile yet.
Other priorities have displaced DM.

Hopefully will be back early next year.


Other priorities??!! What could possibly be more import . . . oh, you mean that "real life" thing? Yeah, that happens sometimes.

I look forward to your return. Good luck with whatever your priorities are now.

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