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Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:59 am
We are not sure we do accept this theory as gospel. We remain quite leary. Meanwhile, we will "play around with it".
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Visionst01 ArchMaster Poster
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Posted:
Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:27 pm
Nomad wrote:
I was thinking of the same sort of uses. Send in a basher with a backup scimitar. Or an aimer with fists, but a backup weapon. Most of my first thoughts were based on favorites, but if they aren't included it isn't as useful. Still, scimitar weilding bashers would be interesting.
I would think the AB with fist, wouldn't be a favorable thing to do, if the AB is fist favorite. Why? Because the AB would lose his defense bonus as soon as he pulled out the back up weapon, which he could do at any point in the match. Now if you are just experimenting or testing the theory, then try giving a fist AB a backup HA, BS, WH or BA or a fist BA using a EP,LO or SC,and then hope they pull the backup quickly and to see how they fight with it.
Remember he is talking about suitedness, so it means using primary weapon that the warrior is well suited to and using a backup weapon that a warrior is not suited for, either by stats or style.
Also Terrabloods weapon suitability chart has an error, PS are not well suited to fist, they are marginal.
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Nomad ArchMaster Poster
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Posted:
Tue Dec 01, 2009 6:37 am
Visionst01 wrote:
Nomad wrote:
I was thinking of the same sort of uses. Send in a basher with a backup scimitar. Or an aimer with fists, but a backup weapon. Most of my first thoughts were based on favorites, but if they aren't included it isn't as useful. Still, scimitar weilding bashers would be interesting.
I would think the AB with fist, wouldn't be a favorable thing to do, if the AB is fist favorite. Why? Because the AB would lose his defense bonus as soon as he pulled out the back up weapon, which he could do at any point in the match. Now if you are just experimenting or testing the theory, then try giving a fist AB a backup HA, BS, WH or BA or a fist BA using a EP,LO or SC,and then hope they pull the backup quickly and to see how they fight with it.
Remember he is talking about suitedness, so it means using primary weapon that the warrior is well suited to and using a backup weapon that a warrior is not suited for, either by stats or style.
Also Terrabloods weapon suitability chart has an error, PS are not well suited to fist, they are marginal.
I was thinking more in terms of the example someone else gave earlier for a fist weilding AB - a very dumb warrior early in their career. The aren't suited to a blade by wit, but are to the fist. So they start against scum with the fist, then pull a blade. I haven't used the fist much yet myself, I need to get the right warriors to make use of it, but I doubt I would want a young AB attacking a parry warrior with fists early in their career.
Still, I can see uses. I have a LS fave lunger who lacks the deftness for a LO. But as a backup it would work well. I find this to be an interesting quirk in the game.
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Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:32 am
So what's basically being questioned is the frequency with which the program checks weapon suitedness. From what I've read, the consensus seems to be that the program only does this once at the beginning of a fight, however have we considered the possibility that there is a check at the beginning of each minute? That would stand to be a more more logical "oversight" than the assumption that the program never re-checks the pulled backup weapon what-so-ever.
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Posted:
Wed Dec 02, 2009 7:45 pm
MarmaDuke wrote:
So what's basically being questioned is the frequency with which the program checks weapon suitedness. From what I've read, the consensus seems to be that the program only does this once at the beginning of a fight, however have we considered the possibility that there is a check at the beginning of each minute? That would stand to be a more more logical "oversight" than the assumption that the program never re-checks the pulled backup weapon what-so-ever.
Thus your theory can easily be tested by taking one of your AD lungers and give him FI. Challenge long fight warriors and give him his favorite as a backup. compare crit percentages. If your data comes out in support of your theory please post it.
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