Turn 98, yes I know I skipped 97!!!

Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:55 am

What is the evidence that this arena has a worse w/l ratio than other arenas with decent populations? How does a common roll up pool affect the w/l. If it was the roll up pool of this arena versus the roll up pool of another that would make sense. A lack of bonuses and the lack of spending, spending, spending to get good tourney roll ups is probably what makes it a little tougher here if in fact it is which would not be my contention.

Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:50 am

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Ah, you mean like Managerr? Wink

Hey! I ran a PR for like 4 turns!!

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What is the evidence that this arena has a worse w/l ratio than other arenas with decent populations?

As a whole, It probably has the same amount as all the other arenas (i.e. close to .500) But I know I've seen managers like the Consortium, Tripwire, Visionist, Aragorn, etc. all run higher than they do here....

(In general, a bad RU pool would mean more DA's, which means more losses being added to the overall W/L...you would think that this arena would have less DA's per capita than a normal arena, but maybe not....)

ArchMaster Poster Joined: Mar 10, 2008 Posts: 2031

Managerr wrote:

(In general, a bad RU pool would mean more DA's, which means more losses being added to the overall W/L...you would think that this arena would have less DA's per capita than a normal arena, but maybe not....)

The funny thing is that I told myself I was going to run "old school" type warriors that had physicals and weren't necessarily tourney quality. But I can't even get those! Its come to a point where I am running stuff for 10 turns because I can win early then DAing when they start to lose and I see no hope.

ArchMaster Poster Joined: Sep 13, 2006 Posts: 1020

Another bad turn, it is hard to do well after being away so long and only being on maintenance. I hope to bring this team back to over .500 when I get home on the 23rd.

As for roll-ups I agree. I have been getting some ugly guys out of the DA.

Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 4:17 pm

Grimm wrote:

Another bad turn, it is hard to do well after being away so long and only being on maintenance. I hope to bring this team back to over .500 when I get home on the 23rd.

As for roll-ups I agree. I have been getting some ugly guys out of the DA.

I have actually gotten some pretty decent rollups here, I have either had them die (thank you Trip Wink

), they rolled-up badly (Wyld Witch) or I have made some really bad challenges (war with the IC). I have also tried some really odd warriors (Ukant B Sirius, Pinkys Pig Boy, Soulripper). I have contemplated trashing the team and starting over but I really like Beastier Wee and Duchess of Erat, and if I could figure out how to run Ctuchik against everyone I would be doing great. I hope my newbie is a good one and I hope to get a decent replacement for UKS. I doubt I will see .500 any time in the near or distant future but I will try my darndest (said with a good ole boy gesture for emphisis).

I do love this arena even though my record here sucks the royal egg

Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:29 pm

This was my second arena team in the game, and I thought I had something special going at first, as each of my rollups had at least one attribute over 17. I thought that would be enough to make the team winners. I learned rather quickly that what might have worked well 15 years ago wasn't even going to run 50% in this arena. I also learned that what I had designed was (except for one warrior, now dead at 10-4-0) a pile of junk with some oddly high stats. All but one of them has either been killed in the arena or DA'd, and I'm not even sure why I keep that one anymore, except that it's fights interest me, even when she loses.

That said, I may just scrap the entire team and start over, as what I currently have isn't exactly likely to set the world on fire.

Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:32 pm

No scrapping here. I'm going to make it work.

Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:27 pm

Managerr wrote:

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Ah, you mean like Managerr? Wink

Hey! I ran a PR for like 4 turns!!

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What is the evidence that this arena has a worse w/l ratio than other arenas with decent populations?

As a whole, It probably has the same amount as all the other arenas (i.e. close to .500) But I know I've seen managers like the Consortium, Tripwire, Visionist, Aragorn, etc. all run higher than they do here....

(In general, a bad RU pool would mean more DA's, which means more losses being added to the overall W/L...you would think that this arena would have less DA's per capita than a normal arena, but maybe not....)

Yeah I see that except Consortium rarely DA's. My roll ups here and in 36 have been my best excluding 62 where I got back to back sz 3's. I just started hearing that there are arenas considered to have good or bad roll up pools. That they would be from different pools never crossed my mind. I have had tons more luck in arena 62 though. Anybody got any feelings on the roll up pool in 21? My feeling is that it sucks ass worse than any other place I have been in. I must have around 15 DA's and I'm not even chartered yet. Suckset Crying or Very sad

Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:30 pm

So, what exactly are these "pools" about? I always thought that when someone died, they just randomly generated another rollup and sent it out to us.

Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:24 pm

I had a 3-2 turn, but it was no surprise that Ratling lost since a series of bloodfued victories moved him way out of his experience bracket. The loss that bothered me is having to ruin my average by sending another warrior to the DA. While I am not adverse to running experimental warriors based on questionable RUs (frankly, most of my team were RUs that I would have DA'd in a tourney arena), I am still paying to play this game and don't see the point in investing time and money in a crappy warrior that doesn't bring me any joy to design or run. Can't wait to see what arrives in the mail tomorrow.

SwineTiger

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:02 am

A. Right, Consortium very, very, very seldom DA's and has not in DM81.
B. We guess we are uninformed, as we see no difference in rollups in differing arenas.
C. We know there are sheet/team pools, but are not convinced the individual replacements are "pools".
D . If there are pools in arenas, they run their course rather slowly as there are really not that many deaths in arenas, hence getting a feel for the totality or configuration of the pool would be very difficult. (e.g. it would be unlikely that one could "buy" a hundred replacement warriors even though one can but a hundred rollup sheets/teams.)
E. Agent (and Smitty before him.) does not believe the replacements in DM81 are anything worse or better than those in other arenas.

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:33 am

Tripwire wrote:

I think I have DA'd the most warriors out of everyone also so you figure I would at least have a few good rollups to show for it. Out of all the warriors I have had I think I have had 1 21 Witter and very few good rollups.

I actually looked this up. And while I was correct that you have the most deaths in the arena, percentage-wise you are not the most prolific DA user in Shadowspire.

I only counted people with more than 20 deaths for the information below. Granted, if active, Hombre, Kellumbo, and Pauly would be vying for spots in the top.

The Top Dark Arena Users in 81 (Active Teams and Deaths > 20)

Team (Dark Arena Deaths/Total Deaths) DA%

1. Rodent Clan (33/36) 91.66%

2. Unholy Knights (20/22) 90.90%

3. Clan Longbeard (20/24) 83.33%

4. Of Wolf and Man (39/47) 82.97%

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:39 am

Darque wrote:

Tripwire wrote:

I think I have DA'd the most warriors out of everyone also so you figure I would at least have a few good rollups to show for it. Out of all the warriors I have had I think I have had 1 21 Witter and very few good rollups.

I actually looked this up. And while I was correct that you have the most deaths in the arena, percentage-wise you are not the most prolific DA user in Shadowspire.

I only counted people with more than 20 deaths for the information below. Granted, if active, Hombre, Kellumbo, and Pauly would be vying for spots in the top.

The Top Dark Arena Users in 81 (Active Teams and Deaths > 20)

Team (Dark Arena Deaths/Total Deaths) DA%

1. Rodent Clan (33/36) 91.66%

2. Unholy Knights (20/22) 90.90%

3. Clan Longbeard (20/24) 83.33%

4. Of Wolf and Man (39/47) 82.97%

Out of my original 5 I am 5/5 100% DA and 3 had a 17/17 WT/WL

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:49 am

The Consortium wrote:

A. Right, Consortium very, very, very seldom DA's and has not in DM81.

I made it a while before I DA'd in this arena, and then it hit like a flood for many turns there.

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B. We guess we are uninformed, as we see no difference in rollups in differing arenas.

Uninformed or not convinced?

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C. We know there are sheet/team pools, but are not convinced the individual replacements are "pools".

This answers the above question Wink

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D . If there are pools in arenas, they run their course rather slowly as there are really not that many deaths in arenas, hence getting a feel for the totality or configuration of the pool would be very difficult. (e.g. it would be unlikely that one could "buy" a hundred replacement warriors even though one can but a hundred rollup sheets/teams.)

Depends on what you consider "many deaths." As of last turn, Shadowspires highest numbered warrior was 1431. Since the inception of the arena there have been 804 deaths (adjusted to exclude Stand Bys and DA Kills). So, 804/1404 (1404 to account for the fact that the first 27 numbers in any arena belong to RSI), and you come up with 57.26%.

Obviously there are TONS of variable that will go into judging something subjective as a RU pool, the least of which not being a manager's proclivity to run certains types of RUs.

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E. Agent (and Smitty before him.) does not believe the replacements in DM81 are anything worse or better than those in other arenas.

I don't doubt the judgment because you have probably seen more RU Replacements than many of us 100 times over. However, I think you look at it through "rose" colored glasses because horrid roll ups to me, don't really look that bad to you Wink

All that said, 47 and 59 get my votes for the most awesome replacements. 31 and 81 get my votes for the some of the worst.

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:21 am

Darque wrote:

The Top Dark Arena Users in 81 (Active Teams and Deaths > 20)

Team (Dark Arena Deaths/Total Deaths) DA%

1. Rodent Clan (33/36) 91.66%

2. Unholy Knights (20/22) 90.90%

3. Clan Longbeard (20/24) 83.33%

4. Of Wolf and Man (39/47) 82.97%

Whoo hoo! We're #1! We're #1. Wait, what was the category? Can I get an award for some of the crap I didn't DA and had success with? Does ths count warriors who were sent to the DA after surviving it? Also, who has had the most DA wins?

SwineTiger

p.s. The SYP has been doing great work!