Rookies Contenders

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 1:43 pm

one more thing, i know that this is a rookies column, but i also am wondering about another lunger that i have, she is going in (if i decide to run her) as a champion

13-10+1-6-15-21-9-11 good endurance, is incredibly quick and elusive, advexp init, exp in ripost, master in attack, advexp in defense

youngblood

Unchartered Poster Joined: Jun 24, 2002 Posts: 49

I have a simular LU to this and he is also in Champs and I will not run him. I wouldn't even run him in Adepts. He is a arena only warrior for me. I wouldn't send a LU with less than at least MA+ in at least INI/ATT/DEF and either AE RIP or DEC. That is to do better than 3-3. Your guy and mine like it I would expect to have a good chance of dying in Champs. There are LU's in that class that could TV Challengers or Freshmen! OR in other words LU's with 150+ total skills. My only LU entry, which is a little weak do to parry favorite learn has 140 total skills.

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 3:06 pm

thats what i was figuring, so i guess i will not run her, but what about the first lunger?....youngblood

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 7:11 pm

well i was really bored and decided to post my rookie tourney team. they go like so:

11-9-11-21-16-5-11 lunger normal damage

11-11-9-17-16-5-15 lunger normal damage

9-5-15-17-17-10-11 slasher good damage very active

9-10-5-17-17-15-11 lunger normal damage extemely active

9-11-11-16-21-5-1 lunger good end normal damage

9-10-13-17-17-5-13 lunger good damage exp attack

8-10-15-21-15-4-11 lunger good damage

5-5-20-17-7-9-21 aimer great damage exp in attack

11-11-10-17-17-7-11 lunger good end normal damage

so can ya guess my favorite style? anyways i think thats all of them. like i said i was bored tired of waiting for the tourney, i think in all i am hoping to send about 30 warriors so maybe i will get a really thick package(s) about a week after the tourney......youngblood

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 8:10 pm

gameogre wrote:

Steve, I have a question:

21(5)-21(1)-8-7(2)-21(1)-5-13(2), 60FE, rookie/novice/initiate/adept TV's

How did you manage rookie, novice and intiate TV's with the same guy? RSI misclassified it?

8-2 Rookie
8-2 Novice (this was when RSI was having a problem with mis-classed warriors in slow arena's, he met the freeze date with 0FE Cool

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11-3 Initiate

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 8:27 pm

neonone wrote:

Rascally Rabbit posted a dozen or so scum TV's he's had. What I'm interested in, and what would give this inquiring manager a more realistic picture, is how many similar TPs have you had that did NOT TV? My guess is that for every one of those TV's, you had two identical guys that never TVd. It's the nature of the Rookies tourney now that so many warriors are capable of beating scum. At this last FTF, I had a Rookie scum that started Expert in parry, and only went 5-3. Too many ABs.

I'm about 50% with all of my TP's (including OTP's). So far all of my best SCUM have been able to TV at least once by the time they graduate. I'm hoping that (J)AY (C)EE will be my 1st freshmen SCUM TV sometime soon Cool

Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 12:31 pm

There are always aberrations though. I TV'd a ST with 3 ATT and 11 DEC, would have had a shot at the TC but got jumped by a PL Shocked

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It's all about the matchups baby Exclamation

Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 11:39 pm

Especially in low level mail-ins. I had the 3 FE striker with 5 att TV apprentices at 9-1 when it was still 7 FE limit. (Even with a rarer for mail-in, coveted prize, you don't see many at apprentices level that were held out waiting)

Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:22 am

For any rule or guideline any manager puts out, there will be a hundred exceptions to the rule. I've had exceptions to my own rules. I TC'd Initiates with a striker that started with 8 Atk skills. It's not impossible, and fast strikers seem to cover their weaknesses better than other styles. My own experience, however, shows that strikers with low attack miss far too often. This gives the opportunity for your foe to riposte, and if they do, you're toast because rookie strikers have no defense. For fast strikers, most of their losses come by getting riposted after their first miss. That is why I prefer strikers with higher attack, who are less likely to miss. Just my preference, and even those guys are not always successful.

Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:26 am

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There are always aberrations though. I TV'd a ST with 3 ATT and 11 DEC, would have had a shot at the TC but got jumped by a PL

Ugh, is that why that warrior was using a DA/DA combo? I always wondered that.

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 10:58 pm

He used the DA in basic but in his near TC run he used the HA mostly,SH and even SC (despite being short in 2 stats to use it... he seemed to do very well with it). Getting great damage with an 8/14 was a bonus.

Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 1:41 pm

Look at my last Apprentice TC at the Phili FtF:

This is Raging Pyrothag at the point right AFTER the TC win.

15-6-5-17-21-9-11 Slasher
Good Damage
Not Alot Carry
Good Endurance
Very Frail

You would think this guy would need alot of Dec right?

These are learned skills after the TC Fight: 16 Attack, 4 Decise, 0 Defense, 8 Init, 0 Par, 2 Rip[/quote]

So knowing that your guy would probably lose the jump to other offensives, how did you change his strat to beat the other offensives? Seems like you must not have matched up with many strikers...
-Kellumbo

Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 4:45 pm

7 Lungers - Went 5-2 vs Lungers, one of the loss' was very early and he got jumped. The second loss was to the eventual TC runner up which I had to fight again. The lunger jumped me when I was naked running 10-10-7 Dec with a hatchet. The lunger had padded leather and his weapon. So I wasn't really confident when four turns later I met the same lunger in the finals and I hadn't learned a single decise skill since the loss to him (the lunger was Malichai). The only strategy change that I made was to drop the decise tactic. Thats it, I ran 10-10-7 naked with no tactic and a hatchet and it worked, we clashed a bunch and I jumped him and 3 hits later I had the TC.

I think the only reason I dropped the decise tactic was because in the arena with other warriors it seemed when I fought someone with more decise and I tried to use the decise tactic against them it never worked. I definately wasn't relying on any defense for this warrior so said heck why not?

***Interesting in that after you dropped the decise tactic you got the jump. I wonder if your init rating had any impact on that??? Very nice in that you did not run into many strikers, but running response seems like a very good strat for slower offensives. Pretty cool. Thanks for sharing what worked for you.***
-Kellumbo

Master Poster Joined: Apr 13, 2003 Posts: 209

Tripwire, what was your SL running when he jumped Batista (my BA) in RD 12 or so? Batista was close to or already Master in DEC.

Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 3:22 am

Sylvester wrote:

Tripwire, what was your SL running when he jumped Batista (my BA) in RD 12 or so? Batista was close to or already Master in DEC.

What was your basher running? This might be an interesting case to discover a bit more about what goes into getting the jump besides just decise rating.
-Kellumbo