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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 8:36 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

_Buri_ wrote:
Donatello for sure, when I was starting out, he was dominating. It was a foregone conclusion that he was just going to win Primus every tourney. While there are many who have surpassed his skill level since, he was certainly the "Babe Ruth" of DM.

If I remember correctly, I believe he was also the first one to hit Archmaster, and got to name it.


never heard that - but I know Carapace got to name Blademaster as the first manager to hit that rating - Tagan iirc....

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:17 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

bubbaganoosh wrote:
this is an impossible question to answer.

it's like asking who is the best baseball player ever and then getting bogged down in a debate about different era's, PED's (read: prizes!), etc.

there were great ones back in the day that have become out classed for one reason or another. and there are current greats. and there are up and coming greats.

nothing wrong with a bit of nostalgia though.........
like these bad ass terminator shades --> Cool

edited to add: you have to throw a nod to Vengeance whose dominance changed the game- literally.


Agreed. Looking at Assur's list of tourney champs Donatello can be compared to Bill Russel. 12 Titles but today hardly bigger than a shooting guard.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:32 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Action wrote:

Agreed. Looking at Assur's list of tourney champs Donatello can be compared to Bill Russel. 12 Titles but today hardly bigger than a shooting guard.


I agree, some of the fights may not be fair or competitive I suppose. Maybe just a set of matchups then, 10, 15, 20 fights between some of the legends that would be competitive matchups and may still answer some "what if's". The matcups could be voted on by active managers. Your vote is your voucher and commitment to pay the whatever price is determined reasonable for this legends exhibition newsletter.

Not a tourney per se, but a group of exhibitions. Those matchups that never quite happened or that managers would like to see happen again. All put into a really cool newsletter like was mentioned earlier with records, stats, favorites, spots from the managers if they are still around. May turn out to be a one trick pony but would still be cool. Or, maybe run once every year or couple years. The up front leg work the first time for RSI would be a lot I suppose, but once the pool of legends was set and the format set it could be run again.

Using the Bill Russell reference above, if anyone has played the NBA Live series for Playstation, I beleive they have several legends or all time features that are popular. Why are they popular, because it is fun, plain and simple.

All perceived roadblocks aside a couple of questions:

1. Would you be interested in something like this?

2. What would you pay to get said newsletter?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:31 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Many of the classic greats have retired managers, whose permission would be needed for such an event.

Many have not recovered burnt skills or learned the extra Primus skills.

Most would not stack up well against the current Primus greats, nor would they want to tarnish their former records with a reality check against open handed ABs.

There are already two such events available: a Primus tourney every 3 months and a King of Primus contest every two years.

If you want to see who is the current best warrior in the world, look no further than the latest Primus tourney. If you want to look in a historical context, then examine the record books.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:53 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Yeah RSI won't run any warriors (even for exhibitions) without permission, and apparently there are a couple of retired oldies who are adamant about this.

And Bonnie would win. :p (at least based on quick glancing Assur's list...)
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:55 am Reply with quoteBack to top

For what it's worth, I'd vote Spearman best ever.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:02 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Oh well, I guess the what if's and coulda been's will remain debate fodder for talking over a beer at the face tourneys.

NOTE: poster shows age by pulling 20+ yr old movie reference out Embarassed

So, it will remain in the realm of the barber shop scene in the old Eddie Murphy movie, Coming to America.

Thanks all for the comments and conversation.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:04 am Reply with quoteBack to top

What class was spearman? LU?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:13 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I have to take points from Spearman for being a style swap and also staying behind when everyone else went to Gateway. Carapace gets a pass on that one because he sent all the rest of his top guys, but it definitely created an unfair advantage for Spearman and lessens the impact of some of his early TCs.

I take points from Dee Dee for staying behind and there was no redeeming aspect to it. Though for a PR to TC at the top end is still cool.

Vengeance gets points taken for being +5 defense and "out of bounds"

Donatello was, as far as I know, all natural during his run of invincibility and anyone else could have been just as good. He was just a machine for so long. I say Donatello was the best ever, hands down.

I also would give asterisks for any AB TCs - due to their dominance being due to a flaw in the game, but again, have to give props to their managers for intelligently exploiting those flaws.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:18 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Khisanth wrote:
What class was spearman? LU?


LU turned AB

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:32 am Reply with quoteBack to top

You guys are all missing the one obvious answer (and one only the real oldies from the early days of Home Guard will get)

The answer is Ferd the Tower. Not only was he a basher and a legend, but he's the only warrior to never lose a fight (just ask him)
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:54 am Reply with quoteBack to top

speaking of Spearman... he wasn't the only style swap. what happened to the rest of the freaks?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:06 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

theDarkOne wrote:
I have to take points from Spearman for being a style swap and also staying behind when everyone else went to Gateway. Carapace gets a pass on that one because he sent all the rest of his top guys, but it definitely created an unfair advantage for Spearman and lessens the impact of some of his early TCs.

I take points from Dee Dee for staying behind and there was no redeeming aspect to it. Though for a PR to TC at the top end is still cool.

Vengeance gets points taken for being +5 defense and "out of bounds"

Donatello was, as far as I know, all natural during his run of invincibility and anyone else could have been just as good. He was just a machine for so long. I say Donatello was the best ever, hands down.

I also would give asterisks for any AB TCs - due to their dominance being due to a flaw in the game, but again, have to give props to their managers for intelligently exploiting those flaws.


IIRC Reaper won 4 of his 6 with a weapon in hand (got lucky and was SC favorite)

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Andarus wrote:
You guys are all missing the one obvious answer (and one only the real oldies from the early days of Home Guard will get)

The answer is Ferd the Tower. Not only was he a basher and a legend, but he's the only warrior to never lose a fight (just ask him)


And I was happy to have a warrior who was trained by Ferd himself to be a 'Ninja-Ferd' - Sitting Bull (some of the best reading in Home Guard newsletters) Very Happy

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One Armed Bandit wrote:
Many of the classic greats have retired managers, whose permission would be needed for such an event.

Many have not recovered burnt skills or learned the extra Primus skills.

Most would not stack up well against the current Primus greats, nor would they want to tarnish their former records with a reality check against open handed ABs.


In addition, many great warriors were retired before a number of prizes were made available - while some may be favorites modified, don't forget about the max bonus potions, the +1 skill potions and the max damage potions that many of the top warriors in Primus now have pumped on them.

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