Team Spotlight/ Announcement

Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 7:34 am

Kat wrote:

To whomever runs the Abysmals: Either you're not in the contest, or you've just been ejected. I won't be bloodfeuding your challenge-kill as it's not allowed by the rules, but I've a long memory. Evil or Very Mad

A year from now, when the contest is over, you've got some payback coming.

Kat

For those of you who care: the former GLUM of JANIX was:

LU: 11-5-10-15-15-13-15 (at least +4 INI, + 4 RIP, +2 ATK)
....and, much to his undoing, very frail.

RIP

We aLL need to know who the Abysmals are! They may have lived up to their name, but they are to be ostracized (and whatever) for doing this to a memorial tournament like this.

Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 12:36 pm

I believe, if it holds true from the abysmals in arena 21, that it may be Noachian. It's NOT a contest team. However we appear to have an issue with a contest team already. Snotman's Petting Zoo threw some challenges out there. I REALLY don't want to throw them out this early on so I'm thinking that perhaps they score 0 points and their points are given to the warriors that they offended 1 or 2 depending on wins and kills(1 if they beat you 2 if they killed you) or dropping the 5 point penalty on them that would be given in the case of tourney entry, but allowing them to score normal from here on out. I know that the rules went into the PAs in all arenas but everybody has more important things going on. I would prefer not to boot them as this is to honor Rich, and since the spotlight from last turn was eaten by HAL Mannequin may have made, as posted on the yahoo group, may have had a GIANT brain fart.

Unless there is overwhelming outcry to boot him I intend to keep him in the contest. The question then becomes how to deal with the issue.

Forgive the caps but this is to be emphasized:

AS OF TURN 2 RULES HAVE BEEN PRINTED IN THE NEWSLETTER AND ALL TRANSGRESSIONS ARE NOW TO BE ENFORCED!

On the flip side I'm going to award no points for personals this turn, unless I see everyone sent some in... in which case the point is moot, HOWEVER those who sent personals will get a tie breaker over those who did not (ie an extra .5 point for all intent purposes). If you tie a team for 1st,2nd,or 3rd and you sent personals turn 1 and they didn't you get the tie break. I thank all for their input and hope you all weigh in on Mannequin's/Snotman's Petting Zoo's issue.

ArchMaster Poster Joined: Jul 17, 2002 Posts: 1054

I don't think anyone should be booted turn 1. I'd suggest just awarding him a -2 points on each of his challenges then score the rest of his turn normally. That prevents him from getting ANY advantage scoring wise from any challenge and sets the precedent so that in the future people can't try to exploit the generosity of the organizer.

Now the tricker question is what happens to the score of the people he challenged? I haven't looked at the turn that closely so I don't know exactly who he challenged or how those fights went. I know it could be me, since my team just showed up and the fact that I had a negative total for the turn hasn't really inspired me to look to closely at it (darn 2 deaths on turn 1, and they were decent warriors too! Buckbeak was a size 19 lunger that was +4 defense and +1 or better attack, Hagrid was a size 18 slasher that was bonused in attack & init....grrr...and I can't bloodfued either....double grrr).

Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 7:58 pm

Rillion wrote:

I don't think anyone should be booted turn 1. I'd suggest just awarding him a -2 points on each of his challenges then score the rest of his turn normally. That prevents him from getting ANY advantage scoring wise from any challenge and sets the precedent so that in the future people can't try to exploit the generosity of the organizer.

Now the tricker question is what happens to the score of the people he challenged? I haven't looked at the turn that closely so I don't know exactly who he challenged or how those fights went. I know it could be me, since my team just showed up and the fact that I had a negative total for the turn hasn't really inspired me to look to closely at it (darn 2 deaths on turn 1, and they were decent warriors too! Buckbeak was a size 19 lunger that was +4 defense and +1 or better attack, Hagrid was a size 18 slasher that was bonused in attack & init....grrr...and I can't bloodfued either....double grrr).

heh heh heh... Twisted Evil

I'll laugh while I can, it'll probably come around!

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 5:27 am

Tripwire wrote:

I am re-posting this here for those that are not on the Slaughter RT yet.

My thoughts.

#1 - I think anyone that posted personals on turn 1 should get the points. I would not penalize someone that posted personals for the contest for the points and simply didn't get them. They should get them without a doubt.

#2 - I agree that the team that challenged should NOT be banned on the first turn. My vote is for a -5 points for the turn for his team, since challenges were issued.

#3 - As for the losses suffered by teams (including mine) that got challenged I don't believe those warriors deserve a -1 point for losing. The person challenging had a specific strategy for your warrior while that warrior was running on a "general" strategy for random matchups. I think the loss should be negated and a 0 should be given. I don't think a win should be offered but no negatives should be given to the team that lost to a challenged warrior. I.e. One Arm should get -3 instead of -5 since 2 of his warriors were challenged. Same with Kat, drop the points. I also think because one of the warriors were killed do not subtract for any DA's that team has until they get a decent rollup they want. I feel that is only fair since the team was setup the way they wanted.

I think that is a fair way to resolve the issue and thats what I am voting for if we get a vote.

Tripwire

We think Tripwire has "nailed every response" and we agree with him.

ArchMaster Poster Joined: Jul 17, 2002 Posts: 1054

Yes, sounds like very reasonable solutions.

Unchartered Poster Joined: May 07, 2004 Posts: 21

I also agree with Tripwire.

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:49 am

I am still mulling this over, thankfully this is a slow arena so I have an extra 2 weeks. Mannequin has stated that he believes one of two things happened:

a) He caught his mistake before he sent the sheets and crossed the names but that perhaps the numbers did not get crossed through.

or

b) He caught his mistake after he sent them and a second set were sent out but the first set was the one that was entered.

He has expressed his regret and has asked to be removed but I, as I believe Rich would do and after all I'm not running this WE are for Rich, have offered that he should stay and take the -5 point penalty. Granted this is a flat -5 penalty not a turn score so his 3-2-0 gets him 1-5=-4 points (close to the -5).I am not going to score those who lost to his challenges so, as set in example, the Sea Dogs will only get -3, etc.

I am however having a tougher time with Kat's issue as Noachian is a non-contest team, and I KNOW that we were all told for months the rules, but it looks like Mannequin forgot and then caught himself, but again the reminder was not printed until this turn and as far as I know Mannequin it sounds like he pulled the string too late on his mistake, or maybe he crossed out thinking the inputter would get it and they didn't. Again maybe RSI can shed light on this yet, and so it remains in the air also. However again back to the death, indeed it was low-brow tactic but Rich intended this contest to teach us what Judith goes through in keeping our tiny arenas alive (the DCing, the skill raping, knowing no retribution will come) and lesson 1 has been dealt it looks like.

This issue is not dead yet but I must search my soul and perhaps the right answer will come yet, like it or not?!?!

Street Legal

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 3:10 pm

Mannequin is leaning well towards the fact that he should be removed despite my trying to convince otherwise. If he does this then I have to say that that the sole exception will be the personal ads being scoreless but counted as a tie breaker for turn 1. A suggestion: Hand write one and email one. I emailed it, got confirmation, AGAIN, from HAL and mine were missing (announcing EYE OF THE STORM). And also it must come from a warrior to get the point (ie Rillion and Kat wrote a personal but not from a warrior but themselves)!!!

Again it looks like Mannequin is going to remove himself, as per the rules, so the scoring will then stand. Did the scoring already but left the sheet at home on the counter (D'OH)!

Street Legal

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 12:50 am

Street_Legal wrote:

Mannequin is leaning well towards the fact that he should be removed despite my trying to convince otherwise. If he does this then I have to say that that the sole exception will be the personal ads being scoreless but counted as a tie breaker for turn 1. A suggestion: Hand write one and email one. I emailed it, got confirmation, AGAIN, from HAL and mine were missing (announcing EYE OF THE STORM). And also it must come from a warrior to get the point (ie Rillion and Kat wrote a personal but not from a warrior but themselves)!!!

Again it looks like Mannequin is going to remove himself, as per the rules, so the scoring will then stand. Did the scoring already but left the sheet at home on the counter (D'OH)!

Street Legal

We would truly hate to see Mannequin "bow out".

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:19 am

TEAM W L Ks Kd TOTAL

OF WOLF AND MAN 4 1 1 0 4
STEEL REIGN 4 1 1 0 4 *
CARESS OF STEEL 4 1 0 0 3 *
SPARF! 4 1 0 0 3 *
MEMORIAL HAMMERZ 3 2 0 0 1 *
MILLENIUM METAL 3 2 0 0 1
JANIX 3 2 0 1 0
DOG SOLDIERS 0 0 0 0 0
HOLD THAT TIGER 2 3 0 0 -1 *
LEAKY TEEPEE 2 3 0 0 -1 *
BATTLE BEASTS2 2 3 0 0 -1 *
EYE OF THE STORM 2 3 0 0 -1
GRYFFINDOR HOUSE2 2 3 0 2 -3
POMPOUS PALADINS 1 4 0 0 -3
SEA DOGS 0 5 0 0 -5 *

Ks= KILLS
Kd= KILLED
*= Denotes personal ad FROM A WARRIOR received giving them the tie breaker in case of a tie.

note: Due to HAL eating the pre-opening turn spotlight personal ads were not scored for round 1 (save for the tie break listed above) as some may have forgotten it MUST come from a warrior on the team (or one recently deceased)!