Hello

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2003 8:34 am

granted, no 21 wit & will sucks completly. He will win and win a lot but winning the big ones is where you´ll be tested.

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2003 7:27 pm

I said he sucks because a little damage, very little endurance, very frail lunger will swing about 6 times and then collapse, and with little damage, he´ll need at LEAST that many hits against everyone except unarmored very frail warriors with no defense. Even a normal endurance lunger is quite capable of collapsing in the first minute.

It doesn´t matter if he has grandmaster attack - with his damage and endurance, he will NOT defeat a single TP or waste, both of which you can count on facing every tournament until Eligibles. If you hadn´t made him immortal, he´d likely never live to graduation, and if you hadn´t sandbagged him, he´d likely graduate around 14-14 if you´re lucky. Skills don´t mean very much when you have the worst physicals possible.

And you seem very defensive about the "seeing he is what he is" comment. He never said the guy didn´t exist; a number of people who DON´T post here don´t believe you, but no one has come here and called you a liar. This IS, however, a design that doesn´t exist in the RSI database, so I´m guessing it´s a DYO. If not, well, I´ve been wrong before.

Personally, if that DF started 13 or less, I´d have gone 9 ST, 21 WT, 21 WL. If you started with higher DF, then I´d have only put 1 in DF and shifted 4 points from WL to ST - even 9-6-5-21-17-9-17 is a stronger design than yours, much less the vastly superior 9-6-5-21-21-9-13. Anemic physicals are about the ONLY time I´d pass on a 21/21.

And gameogre, I´ve said before that the only time I make a 20 wit is on a 14 base. I never choose 20 when I can get a 21.

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2003 7:29 pm

Stupid automatic logout. The above was me, if you hadn´t guessed.

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2003 5:57 am

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On 2003-03-03 19:27, Anonymous wrote:
I said he sucks because a little damage, very little endurance, very frail

he does do little damage and yes, is very frail. but he has a NORMAL endurance. [i just dug his stuff out of the box]

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Even a normal endurance lunger is quite capable of collapsing in the first minute.

this is true... but he doesn´t.

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And you seem very defensive about the "seeing he is what he is" comment. He never said the guy didn´t exist; a number of people who DON´T post here don´t believe you, but no one has come here and called you a liar. This IS, however, a design that doesn´t exist in the RSI database, so I´m guessing it´s a DYO. If not, well, I´ve been wrong before.

yeah i´ve got nothin´ better to do than invent a roll up and debate his possibilities. he´s a stat-switch + immortal potion. are ya happy? do i need to post a notarized copy of his overview or something? jeeez. if it was a DYO i´d of damn sure gave him more than a 5 ST.

i didn´t post this to get into a long winded debate about how important physicals are vs. skills. i am well aware of the importance of physicals.

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2003 6:47 pm

5 ST/6 CN/21 WL and you claim normal endurance?

That´s a first....

If he actually has normal endurance he goes from "sucks" to "almost good" until he gets to ADM. Physicals aren´t everything, but you can´t just ignore them in favor of skills. I still don´t think he has much chance in the Champs, and I still maintain his best shot at TV/TC would be the ADM tournament.

And it´s hardly jealousy.

I have quite a few godlings of my own sitting around, including my own 21/21 and a few massively bonused beasts.

Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2003 12:46 am

OKaaaay, time out for one of us who doesn´t have the ´problem´ of maximizing the results of his 21/21´s.

Replacement roll-up. Several options to be a ´useful´ warrior but I´m interested to hear what you´d expect to be it´s best set up.

9-9-7-14-9-12-10

(10-9-7-20-15-12-11? but what style to run that? 10-9-7-20-9-18-11? 15-9-7-17-9-12-15?)

Since it wouldn´t quite suck if you ran it without adding the 14 points I know there are a lot of choices that make an enjoyable warrior out of this one, but what would you call the one, can´t beat it with these numbers, choice?

[ This message was edited by: gameogre on 11-03-2003 00:48 ]

Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2003 5:23 am

I would go 13-9-7-17-15-12-11 LU/sl

Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2003 11:53 am

Quote:

On 2003-03-11 00:46, gameogre wrote:
OKaaaay, time out for one of us who doesn´t have the ´problem´ of maximizing the results of his 21/21´s.

Replacement roll-up. Several options to be a ´useful´ warrior but I´m interested to hear what you´d expect to be it´s best set up.

9-9-7-14-9-12-10

(10-9-7-20-15-12-11? but what style to run that? 10-9-7-20-9-18-11? 15-9-7-17-9-12-15?)

Since it wouldn´t quite suck if you ran it without adding the 14 points I know there are a lot of choices that make an enjoyable warrior out of this one, but what would you call the one, can´t beat it with these numbers, choice?

[ This message was edited by: gameogre on 11-03-2003 00:48 ]

One option is to go 10-9-7-20-15-12-11 with this one, either striker or slasher. You could also try 15-9-7-20-10-12-11 ST. The last point goes in will to all but guarantee normal endurance, and with the 15 strength you have a good chance at getting good damage as well. How well this second one does depends entirely on how fast you get the WT raise, but I actually like it a little more than the first version.

[ This message was edited by: Ichabod_Frothingslosh on 11-03-2003 22:33 ]

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2003 12:48 am

Thanks for the ideas.

It was pretty good finding a reasonable way that this could be a lunger. I think the risk reward ratio was too high (since he could miss both rolls and be normal end. and normal damage) with what this can be other ways, but it was still good.

I think the 15 strength idea has the single best outcome possibility locked up. With good damage and normal end. it would only need two things to go right for a big performance. Hit the wit train first turn to go into novices with the best shot and then learn decise like a striker should to overcome the fairly low starting point.

Thanks again, fingers crossed.

Unchartered Poster Joined: Jul 20, 2002 Posts: 16

As to this poll.I admit it.Have no idea what 87 and DYO mean???Carny

Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2003 5:47 pm

87 point is adding 17 to a basic rollup instead of 14 and DYO is design your own. You can put the 84 points any way you want them.

Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2003 7:13 pm

Carny--- YOU don´t know what a 87 point rollup is, or a DYO?!!!
HA HA HA HA HA. Trying to pass yourself off as a newbie huh.
Don´t mention that you have 15-18 years in this game. That is if your the same Carny in 25 and Talahaya.

Just trying to help out, would you like your lucky numbers today? --fourtune teller

Unchartered Poster Joined: Jul 20, 2002 Posts: 16

Ghoti...thanks for info.........SECURITY! SECURITY! Remove this
ANONYMOUS at once......CARNY

Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2003 5:55 pm

Hey Ultraist, which teams are yours in Sunset? I only got one in there now and heard you saying that you had at least 2 teams in there.

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2003 1:15 am

Now, that's a suspicious sounding question if I ever heard one...

Not that Ultraist cares if someone wants to fight his guys. You should leave Storm Warning alone though, very pudly and frail and I'm just now finishing my therapy sessions and I know you wouldn't want to set me back...