Rookies Contenders

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 12:10 pm

I know rookies is usually a crap shoot, but what do you guys think makes a viable contender to TC the class. I got minis for my whole acct recently and noticed that I have plenty of scum I was thinking of running. I've got TPs with Trem end and trem punishment, BAs with trem dmg and great end, is it worth the money to toss them in the mix since the only reason they'd be there is to get the TC since I would never run them in the regular arena? Thanks.

Swifty

Unchartered Poster Joined: Jun 24, 2002 Posts: 49

With only those physicals to go by, no one can give you an answer. The TP could be good but if it doesn't have enough PAR it will still lose to even high endurance burn styles. As for the BA it depends on what DEC and ATT they have, as well as the other skills.

Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2004 4:08 pm

Since I have no idea on the skill bases I can give you the roll up numbers.

9-16-15-9-19-5-11 TP great end/ trem hp
9-16-12-9-21-10-7 TP great end/ trem hp
9-18-15-10-21-6-5 TP great end/trem hp
17-3-17-11-15-14-7 BA awesome dmg
9-17-8-9-21-13-7 TP great end/trem hp

Also I have an apprentice.

18(1)-16-14-6(1)-20(2)-7-7 BA trem end/trem hp/trem carry/great dmg

Swifty

Unchartered Poster Joined: Jun 24, 2002 Posts: 49

Only the first TP, whould I personally run in a tourney. Any one of them could do something with great match-ups but only the first has anywhere close to the numbers I look for in a TP. The BA looks cool with the huge damage but it will have problems after the first 6 rounds, if it doesn't get killed by a ST first. Assur, could tell you better but my one attempt with a BA close to this went 1-3 in Rookies.

Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2004 9:25 pm

all of those TP's could TV (maybe one has a shot at TC) and run scum screens in regular DM for you...

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 1:18 am

Like you said, it's a match-up class. If you send all the TP's, I'd be really surprised if you didn't hit one pretty easy path for ten rounds. The first is the "best" whatever that means when none have fought or attempted a train yet. That one and the apprentice ought to be given a chance at least.

Basher rookie, I don't know how to judge really. Obviously, there are a lot of styles he'd be extremely dangerous against in rookies. Can he get past the strikers to get deep into it? Difficult, but maybe?

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 11:27 pm

Swifty wrote:

Since I have no idea on the skill bases I can give you the roll up numbers.

9-16-15-9-19-5-11 TP great end/ trem hp
9-16-12-9-21-10-7 TP great end/ trem hp
9-18-15-10-21-6-5 TP great end/trem hp
17-3-17-11-15-14-7 BA awesome dmg
9-17-8-9-21-13-7 TP great end/trem hp

Also I have an apprentice.

18(1)-16-14-6(1)-20(2)-7-7 BA trem end/trem hp/trem carry/great dmg

Swifty

I'm very critical of my scum TP. Here are a few examples, and how they've done so you can guage.

18(2)-18(2)-7-6(2)-21(2)-11-13(2), 32FE, novice TV
19(3)-19(3)-7-7(2)-21-10(1)-13(3), 33FE, apprentice TV
17(2)-18(2)-8-7-21-6-11, 30FE, rookie and initiate TV's, master parry!
15(1)-21-6-7-20(2)-8-11(1), 7FE, rookie TV
17(3)-21-12-4(1)-21(1)-3-13(2), 28FE, novice/initiate/adept TV's
17(2)-17(2)-9-7(1)-21(1)-9-11(1), 19FE, initiate TV
21(5)-21(1)-8-7(2)-21(1)-5-13(2), 60FE, rookie/novice/initiate/adept TV's
17(2)-17(2)-12-4-21(2)-9-11(1), 10FE, apprentice TV
16(3)-21(1)-10-6-21(1)-5-11(1), 8FE, rookie TV
15(1)-20(1)-11-7(1)-20(1)-5-11(1), 10FE, apprentice TV
16(1)-18(1)-9-7-21-4-11, 7FE, rookie TV

All the above are still in basic, the ones listed below will be competing in freshmen and above.

21(6)-25(5)-12-6(3)-25(5)-5(2)-13(2), 87FE, rookie/initiatex2/adept TV's
20(3)-22(1)-3-7(4)-20(3)-12-13(2), 62FE, rookie and initiate TV's

Sorry I couldn't list more I left the other packet with the rest of my mini's at home (about the same amount in the other packet). The big difference with the newer stuff not listed was that I started trying to setup so that I could train the WT within 1 train to be able to use the BS or SC, before that my focus was to be able to use the BA within 3 trains between ST and WT in any combination in most cases.

The 60FE in basic was actually designed with Managers help, and the 87FE freshmen was actually designed right after the 91' face in Baltimore.

I've gotta get back to working/sleeping Cool

now but if there are any questions post them here and I'll try to answer them.

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 3:12 am

Steve, I have a question:

21(5)-21(1)-8-7(2)-21(1)-5-13(2), 60FE, rookie/novice/initiate/adept TV's

How did you manage rookie, novice and intiate TV's with the same guy? RSI misclassified it?

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 8:21 am

I'm less critical than that, but I agree with the premise that these are not very on the strong side. My minimum requirements are 9 ST, 17 CN, 17 WL, and 11 DF. #1 is the only one I'd consider and only if I had nothing else to send to the tourney.

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 8:58 am

I'm even more critical than Manager, my minimum being 13 ST, 18 CN, 20 WL, 11 DF. I know...those are rare. And they only TV half the time because of all the stinking ABs run in rookies. I wouldn't hold out any hopes for any of those guys TVing, let alone TCing.

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 9:02 am

With regards to offensive rookies, it's your responsibility to figure out their base skills. It's a required skill for even newbie managers. Look for at least 10 Atk and 10 Dec skills, packaged together with decent physicals (minimum normal endur, good damage). That'll usually get you a TV. Oh, and low wit dummies don't do as good as the geniuses.

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 9:08 am

Rascally Rabbit posted a dozen or so scum TV's he's had. What I'm interested in, and what would give this inquiring manager a more realistic picture, is how many similar TPs have you had that did NOT TV? My guess is that for every one of those TV's, you had two identical guys that never TVd. It's the nature of the Rookies tourney now that so many warriors are capable of beating scum. At this last FTF, I had a Rookie scum that started Expert in parry, and only went 5-3. Too many ABs.

Unchartered Poster Joined: Jun 24, 2002 Posts: 49

Yes, very good TP's only TV at best half the time anymore in Rookies, and formerly in Novices. You need very good TPs, match-ups, and managing to get into the finals with TP's anymore in Rookies. Although this may change again at some point once people stop running as many TP's and the AB's get smacked by the high ATT and high DEC offensives. Then the offensives will reign for a while until the is another surge in TPs, and the cycle will begin again.

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 9:54 am

Well, I'm a bad example, because I think that one of my strengths is that I am very good at getting the marginal TP's to TV and beyond. (The ones that I decide to run anyway.) But even if that TV ratio were 33%, since when would we discourage any newer player not to run a warrior with a 33% TV shot? I'd suggest most players run any warrior with a 10% TV percentage or greater.

The only time my high quality Scum come out to play now is during non-triple elimination tourneys. Because AB's are so prevalent these days, so don't need the huge physicals for this format. Just get your Parry Ratings to parry the Strikers and you are good to go, even if you lose to every single other TP and AB.

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 1:17 pm

well i have a couple of tp's going but here is a lunger that i am considering sending but not sure if i should wait until the F2F or not.

9-10-5-17-17-15-11 incredibly active, not a lot of punishment, not a lot of weight in weapons, incredibly quick and elusive, normal damage, and an expert in initiative

youngblood