Turf War scoring questions.

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 10:27 am

The chart in the newsletter states the following:

Scoring will be as follows for Fights:
Win Loss Kill Die
Up Challenge +2 -2 +5 -5
Down Challenge 0 -2 0 -5
Match Up +1 -1 +1 -5
Bloodfeud Challenge (Up or Down) +2 -5 +5 -10
Champion ** x2 x2 x2 x2
Dark Arena* +10 -5 xx xx
Tournament Death*** -5

My first question is: if you challenge someone and win, do you get both the 2 points for the win as well as the 5 points for the kill, thus totally 7 points?

My second question: does a challenge fight score the same for both the challenger as well as his opponent or would the opponent recieve points as if it were a matchup?

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Daemonspawn wrote:

The chart in the newsletter states the following:

Scoring will be as follows for Fights:
Win Loss Kill Die
Up Challenge +2 -2 +5 -5
Down Challenge 0 -2 0 -5
Match Up +1 -1 +1 -5
Bloodfeud Challenge (Up or Down) +2 -5 +5 -10
Champion ** x2 x2 x2 x2
Dark Arena* +10 -5 xx xx
Tournament Death*** -5

My first question is: if you challenge someone and win, do you get both the 2 points for the win as well as the 5 points for the kill, thus totally 7 points?

My second question: does a challenge fight score the same for both the challenger as well as his opponent or would the opponent recieve points as if it were a matchup?

No you get 2 points for a win or 5 points for a win/kill.

If the fight is a challenge fight (vs turf war teams) then the points are considered challenge points wether challenging or being challenged. So -2 for a loss if you are challenged or lose a challenge.

Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 12:52 pm

Tripwire wrote:

Daemonspawn wrote:

The chart in the newsletter states the following:

Scoring will be as follows for Fights:
Win Loss Kill Die
Up Challenge +2 -2 +5 -5
Down Challenge 0 -2 0 -5
Match Up +1 -1 +1 -5
Bloodfeud Challenge (Up or Down) +2 -5 +5 -10
Champion ** x2 x2 x2 x2
Dark Arena* +10 -5 xx xx
Tournament Death*** -5

My first question is: if you challenge someone and win, do you get both the 2 points for the win as well as the 5 points for the kill, thus totally 7 points?

My second question: does a challenge fight score the same for both the challenger as well as his opponent or would the opponent recieve points as if it were a matchup?

No you get 2 points for a win or 5 points for a win/kill.

If the fight is a challenge fight (vs turf war teams) then the points are considered challenge points wether challenging or being challenged. So -2 for a loss if you are challenged or lose a challenge.

Thanks, Trip. Sounds like a perfect answer to OZ.

Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:19 am

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If the fight is a challenge fight (vs turf war teams) then the points are considered challenge points wether challenging or being challenged. So -2 for a loss if you are challenged or lose a challenge.

So if a downchallenge victim wins, they get +0 points?

Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:20 am

Managerr wrote:

Quote:

If the fight is a challenge fight (vs turf war teams) then the points are considered challenge points wether challenging or being challenged. So -2 for a loss if you are challenged or lose a challenge.

So if a downchallenge victim wins, they get +0 points?

Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:29 am

bubbaganoosh wrote:

Managerr wrote:

Quote:

If the fight is a challenge fight (vs turf war teams) then the points are considered challenge points wether challenging or being challenged. So -2 for a loss if you are challenged or lose a challenge.

So if a downchallenge victim wins, they get +0 points?

Just goes to show that DCing doesn't pay Twisted Evil

HEHEHE

Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 11:21 am

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Just goes to show that DCing doesn't pay Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

Except it does. You can totally prevent a warrior from scoring any points regardless if they win or lose by just DC'ing them. (But maybe that's a strategy they mods want)

Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 12:03 pm

So something needs to be done about down challenging scores. A +something if you win and a 0 if you lose?

Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 12:22 pm

Action wrote:

So something needs to be done about down challenging scores. A +something if you win and a 0 if you lose?

yeah that's a bad loophole. they should score it so it's very detrimental to DC (0 pts win, -5 loose) and profitable if you're challenged and win (+2 for a win, 0 pts. if you lose). something like that.

seems fair.

Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 4:42 pm

bubbaganoosh wrote:

Action wrote:

So something needs to be done about down challenging scores. A +something if you win and a 0 if you lose?

yeah that's a bad loophole. they should score it so it's very detrimental to DC (0 pts win, -5 loose) and profitable if you're challenged and win (+2 for a win, 0 pts. if you lose). something like that.

seems fair.

I'd say that the person who is downchallenged should be scored the same as if it were a random matchup. Scoring 0 for winning when downchallenged isn't right, PERIOD. Losing extra points because you lost when downchallenged is even more wrong. I could totally see mediocre warriors downchallenging with impunity, just to keep other teams scores down. It might not be an effective tactic in the long term, but it is certainly a usable tactic.

Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 5:44 pm

however they do it is fine by me. this is my first TW so it isn't like i have a lot of experience with it. i just hope that the scoring system the decide on is, if anything, consistent. that's all.

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:00 am

bubbaganoosh wrote:

yeah that's a bad loophole. they should score it so it's very detrimental to DC (0 pts win, -5 loose) and profitable if you're challenged and win (+2 for a win, 0 pts. if you lose). something like that.

seems fair.

It's not a loophole, the scoring chart is just being applied WRONG.

If Warrior A downchallenges Warrior B and loses the scoring is as follows:

Warrior A receives -2 points because he lost his down challenge
Warrior B receives +2 points because he won a fight in which he was challenged

A death always results in a -5 penalty (0 FE DA is the exception) regardless of the scoring row.

The section "Up" Challenge should just be labelled "Challenge" because it merely differentiates itself from DC and BF type challenges.

No warrior or team is penalized for WINNING, except in the case of a warrior DCing, but then his score isn't technically penalized, just nullified.

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:33 am

Just to clarify the above scenario for all (not trying to be a PITA)... what happens in your example if Warrior A wins his DC and Warrior B loses in that fight where he is downchallenged?

Thanks in advance!

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:40 am

MarmaDuke wrote:

Just to clarify the above scenario for all (not trying to be a PITA)... what happens in your example if Warrior A wins his DC and Warrior B loses in that fight where he is downchallenged?

Thanks in advance!

Aha, now you have found a loophole! I need to discuss this one with Oz, since the purpose/spirit of the DC rule is to discourage down challenging, not reward (no matter how convaluted) the offending team with hindering their opponent.

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:23 am

Seems to me this works well for the warrior challenging, not as well for the warrior challenged.

Win Loss Kill Die
Up Challenge +2 -2 +5 -5
Down Challenge 0 -2 0 -5
Match Up +1 -1 +1 -5
Bloodfeud Challenge (Up or Down) +2 -5 +5 -10

The cases that don't work for the warrior being challenged:
Down Challenge 0 -2 0 -5
As per thread. The warrior challenged is penalized.

Bloodfeud Challenge (Up or Down) +2 -5 +5 -10
So if my Initiate is Bloodfeuded by a Challenger Champion, I lose 5 points per turn for each loss, and 10 if I die?!? So my choices if I kill a warrior in the lower ranks on a team that has a warrior in the upper ranks are pretty much to give up the endurance award or give up huge points for my team...

It also means if the top warrior on my team dies, bloodfeud attempts are discouraged.

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It seems to me that the intention of the scoring is:
Match Up: +1 -1 +1 -5
Challenges: +2 -2 +5 -5 (includes Bloodfeuds)
except:
Warrior Initiating Down Challenge (not including DM): 0 -2 0 -5
Warrior Initiating Bloodfeud: +2 -5 +5 -10

All challenges have increased values, but penalties for warriors doing down challenges or losing bloodfeuds.