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Hombre
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Tue Jan 24, 2023 10:30 am |
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Two rollups I would welcome thoughts on. I've TC'd with a PS so I'm not against PSs like many people seem to be on these forums, but maybe that's a bad thing? Also, I've avoided running PRs my entire career but maybe it's time to start... thanks for any input on these.
12-12-7-17-4-6-12
10-12-8-16-8-3-13 |
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One Armed Bandit
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Tue Jan 24, 2023 10:55 am |
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I like the first one as a Striker:
12-12-7-17-4-6-12 --> 12-12-7-21-9-6-17 ST (or -8-15 or -10-13, depending on how you value the Decise vs Attack skills on creation)
Parry-Riposte looks reasonable for the second one to take advantage of that 3 SP:
10-12-8-16-8-3-13 --> 15-12-8-21-8-3-17 PR |
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Stik
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Tue Jan 24, 2023 11:22 am |
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I don't think everyone's against pikers, they can certainly win and I've TV'd with a couple. I like that they can be either defensive or offensive, or a hybrid with the right setup. Trouble is, great piker setups usually make a better something else, too of course.
12-12-7-17-4-6-12 ---> either 12-12-7-21-9-6-17 or 13-13-7-21-9-6-15 PR, very nice low WL setups. I'd go with the latter for better physicals.
10-12-8-16-8-3-13 ---> lot of different flavors you could use here. Can't get to 15 WL but 14's close enough with decent ST/CN to get some tankability, so it's that or leave it at 9. Other choice is of course, WT to 17 and use points elsewhere, or go for the genius? Pikers have such poor bases it's hard not to go 21 WT, but then 17's not chopped liver, either. With the 3 SP it's hard to see this guy being a full-on offensive type, but they can surprise you, too. If it pulls the decise fave learn (or attack lesser chance) instead of parry you could still run it offensive in certain situations like your challenge, or you can catch people on the "if challenged" strat also if they're expecting a defensive strat, which is fun!
So, if tanking up, either 13-12-8-21-14-3-13 with bumps/burns to CN/WL/ST to toughen it up, or possibly 15-14-8-17-14-3-13 with one bump to CN and WL then skills.
Or you could go the 9 WL route, 10-12-8-16-8-3-13 ---> 13-12-8-21-9-4-17 with an eye towards an offensive approach maximizing skills, starts 10 att base. I put SP to 4 to get normal coordination but you could dump it into ST or CN too. And with some ST/CN still, if it turns out to be a parry learn and not much decise, you can run it defensively too. |
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The_Professor
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Tue Jan 24, 2023 7:26 pm |
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Trouble is, great piker setups usually make a better something else <<< Exactly! |
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The_Professor
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Tue Jan 24, 2023 7:30 pm |
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I also concur with the 2nd as a PR. Only question is do you go for 15 str or use those elsewhere? |
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Visionst01
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Tue Jan 24, 2023 8:25 pm |
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I think OAB nailed them both. |
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Wed Jan 25, 2023 6:49 am |
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12-12-7-17-4-6-12 to 17-12-7-21-9-6-12 BA/ST
or a ripper at 15-13-7-21-9-6-13 or even 15-13-7-17-9-6-17
10-12-8-16-8-3-13 to 11-12-8-21-9-5-17 ST or 15-15-8-21-9-3-13 PR
so many ways to go for two good RUs listed above also |
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Hombre
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Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:20 am |
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Thanks everyone for the input - much appreciated. Ultimately I went:
12-12-7-21-9-6-17 PS
15-13-8-21-9-3-15 PR (I know that's a low parry base, but wanted to carry plate, and maybe the 21 wit will make up for it by the time it gets to Initiates)
May you all have good fortune and run into these warriors in the mail-in rookies! |
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LHI
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Thu Jan 26, 2023 6:54 pm |
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Hombre wrote: |
Thanks everyone for the input - much appreciated. Ultimately I went:
12-12-7-21-9-6-17 PS
15-13-8-21-9-3-15 PR (I know that's a low parry base, but wanted to carry plate, and maybe the 21 wit will make up for it by the time it gets to Initiates)
May you all have good fortune and run into these warriors in the mail-in rookies! |
Its Hombre!!! |
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