Daydream Believer

Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 8:56 pm

Assurnasirbanipal wrote:

Congrats on your success with him. Remember also, that you are in a very elite company, winning TC's in 3 different classes. I've been way out of it, but when I was tracking it, I believe there were only 2 others to have done this.

He's actually TC'd 4 different classes:

Rookies, Adepts, Champions and Challengers

It's nice to see you're still about!

Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 12:55 am

Mannequin wrote:

Assurnasirbanipal wrote:

Congrats on your success with him. Remember also, that you are in a very elite company, winning TC's in 3 different classes. I've been way out of it, but when I was tracking it, I believe there were only 2 others to have done this.

He's actually TC'd 4 different classes:

Rookies, Adepts, Champions and Challengers

It's nice to see you're still about!

Which pretty much puts him in a class all by himself.

Can anyone else list any 4-class TC's. (exclude Dead Tournaments, of course.)

Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 6:59 am

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Can anyone else list any 4-class TC's. (exclude Dead Tournaments, of course.)

Not in basic. I suspect warriors like Legacy have 4 in 4 classes when you start counting ADM. Daydream is the first I know of who has 4 in basic. There are a couple more warriors who maybe could have done it had there been separate Champs/Challengers tourneys back then.

Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:13 am

A great warrior, no douby. But sometimes this part gets glossed over .....

That freaking Mannequin can freaking manage!

Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:52 am

The Consortium wrote:

That freaking Mannequin can freaking manage!

Understatement that!
Steps on the stage as truly one of "the Greats."

MOST impressed!

Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 1:02 pm

Assurnasirbanipal wrote:

Congrats on your success with him. Remember also, that you are in a very elite company, winning TC's in 3 different classes. I've been way out of it, but when I was tracking it, I believe there were only 2 others to have done this.

HI ALL, just stopped by to look around and see what I've been missing. And sadly, it looks like the arena game is even deader than when I left it Sad

Assur LIVES!!!! Shocked

Good to see you alive and well!! Things may be a bit stagnant arena-wise, but did you realize while you were gone that they started an ALL-BASHER-ONLY arena??? This is something you of all managers need to be in on!! And bring back Sports in Sunset while you're at it! We'd love to have you back!!

p.s. apologies for getting off-thread with this.....Mannequin RULES the PR world! There. Smile

Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 3:32 pm

The Consortium wrote:

That freaking Mannequin can freaking manage!

I'll believe that when he moves onto the big leagues known as Shadowspire. Anyone can TC*, but running all 5 warriors in a non-tourney arena is when the true skill of a manager is tested. Although I've never heard of this "Mannequin" person (his name sounds made up), I've offered to mentor him if he decides to join 81. :)

SnideTiger

* With the right skills, strats, stats, experience and regiment

ArchMaster Poster Joined: Sep 05, 2005 Posts: 1316

SwineTiger wrote:

The Consortium wrote:

That freaking Mannequin can freaking manage!

I'll believe that when he moves onto the big leagues known as Shadowspire. Anyone can TC*, but running all 5 warriors in a non-tourney arena is when the true skill of a manager is tested. Although I've never heard of this "Mannequin" person (his name sounds made up), I've offered to mentor him if he decides to join 81. Smile

SnideTiger

* With the right skills, strats, stats, experience and regiment

You forgot luck of the draw too, my friend. But in the case of DB, luck had very little to do in the total of 4 TCs.

Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 9:08 am

JGW wrote:

SwineTiger wrote:

The Consortium wrote:

That freaking Mannequin can freaking manage!

I'll believe that when he moves onto the big leagues known as Shadowspire. Anyone can TC*, but running all 5 warriors in a non-tourney arena is when the true skill of a manager is tested. Although I've never heard of this "Mannequin" person (his name sounds made up), I've offered to mentor him if he decides to join 81. Smile

SnideTiger

* With the right skills, strats, stats, experience and regiment

You forgot luck of the draw too, my friend. But in the case of DB, luck had very little to do in the total of 4 TCs.

i'm not sure how you can say luck had very little to do with it.

luck had a LOT to do with it.

mannequin said himself that he used the same strategy in every single fight. so it wasn't like he had to tweak and fine tune it. was it luck on his part that he happened on the perfect strategy or did it have something to do with the fact that he is a terrific manager to begin with? it's a catch 22. if you have a monster like DDB that you toss out in the rookies tournament with "x" strategy and it TC's... that to me is a lot of luck.

certainly his knowledge + preparation contributed to that...

so what if DDB was +4 in attack and parry. that, in and of itself, simply means that it started a few skills ahead of everyone else. seems like that would help you in a rook tourney, but beyond that, those 4 skills would mean very little until you start maxing out skills. the +4's would come into play at the very top end allowing it to reach ratings that others cannot. if i'm mistaken in my thought process i welcome a more experienced manager to chime in.

it seems like there has got to be something else that "blesses" a warrior to win. and i know it's been mentioned before- an unknown luck roll at creation - but it hasn't been brought up much when it comes to a freak like DDB.

perhaps the +4's are simply an observable manifestation of the overall luck roll. a mode warrior wouldn't have the same knack for winning as a +4 warrior - but not only because of the +4's - but because of other hidden factors. this has probably been said before... i don't mean to be redundant.

and what will a warrior like DDB with a 7 WL (or was it 8?) do in ADM as far as trains go?

is DDB a "basic arena mauler" but an "advanced arena joe six pack?" certainly it has that KNACK to win, but how long will it take to train up those stats? (note: i don't know what the training rate is now since gateway closed up so these are sincere ponderances! Smile

in closing, i concur wholeheartedly that DDB is amazing, no doubt. and of course mannequins ability as a manager was a big part of that. but i think the LUCK factor has been understated to a degree.

-mike

Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 10:11 am

bubbaganoosh wrote:

it seems like there has got to be something else that "blesses" a warrior to win. and i know it's been mentioned before- an unknown luck roll at creation - but it hasn't been brought up much when it comes to a freak like DDB.
-mike

This is the "hidden string" Kellumbo referred to in an earlier post. It affects everything -- endurance checks, hit point checks, WL checks, training (skill learns/stat raises), kill desire, etc.. I don't know if they are individual rolls or if they all fall under a single roll on creation. Either way, the odds are DDB rolled better than your average warrior.

BTW, he raised his ST & CN 4 times each with his 7 WL.

Mannequin

Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 10:33 am

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BTW, he raised his ST & CN 4 times each with his 7 WL.
Mannequin

nice...

Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 5:08 pm

KnightHospitaller wrote:

The Consortium wrote:

That freaking Mannequin can freaking manage!

Understatement that!
Steps on the stage as truly one of "the Greats."

MOST impressed!

Great Mage, as I have told you before, be kind and respectful and you will always get knifed in the back!
His PR, very good warrior, OK? Liar and a coward for a manager.

"AWing Mannequin every time he shows up."

Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 6:46 pm

Well I have to thank Mannequin for sharing DDB and his PR knowledge. Now that everyone has seen a great PR who will be making the next one? I would like to strive for that but greatness seems beyond me at the moment so I will have to settle for good right now.

Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 11:43 pm

Wretch wrote:

Well I have to thank Mannequin for sharing DDB and his PR knowledge. Now that everyone has seen a great PR who will be making the next one? I would like to strive for that but greatness seems beyond me at the moment so I will have to settle for good right now.

I have been making them similar to DDB for 15 years, but you don't need a great one to do well in a rookies mail-in, just a little luck in your matchups. Trust me my recent rookie runner-up PR was not great by any means.

I would suggest making a few in your regular arena first and experiment with strategies before trying the Rookies class. Hell I have been running them all these years and I am still trying new strategies from time to time.

Ohh and don't bother trying an average PR one at a FtF, only the great ones can compete at a FtF.

Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 12:55 am

RTR wrote:

KnightHospitaller wrote:

The Consortium wrote:

That freaking Mannequin can freaking manage!

Understatement that!
Steps on the stage as truly one of "the Greats."

MOST impressed!

Great Mage, as I have told you before, be kind and respectful and you will always get knifed in the back!
His PR, very good warrior, OK? Liar and a coward for a manager.

"AWing Mannequin every time he shows up."

Well, RTR, this is pretty disgusting of you.
Mannequin is one of the finest, most respected, and most liked managers.
We all do not deserve to hear your ranting everywhere.