Luck/Hose matrix by style

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 8:29 am

This may be asking too much and fall under the "I know this information, but I don't want to share it" bucket, but I'll toss this out there anyway. I was wondering if there was a list or matrix of which skill types each class could potentially be lucky or hosed in. An example from what I've read on the boards:

- A Total Parry can't be lucky/hosed in Parry, whereas a Waste could be lucky/hosed in Parry.

So theoretically, this matrix would have ten rows for each style, and six columns for each skill type along with a corresponding Y/N for each particular pairing of data. I would assume with the massive amounts of data available these days that this exists in some form, but there I go assuming.....

Any help, as usual is greatly appreciated in advance.

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 8:48 am

There is something similar to this on Terrablood - in tries to look at the odds of being bonused or hosed in different categories, but in doing so, pretty well identifies where it is possible to be +/-.

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 8:55 am

Is this what your talking about..

http://www.terrablood.com/cgi-bin/dm_view_bases.cgi

sincerely Purple Sage

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:07 am

Perfect! Thank you both for the fast responses. I think I've searched every conceivable thread in these forums for something like that, and for some reason I never noticed it while perusing Terrablood.

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:25 am

Along these lines not too long ago, OAB made an observation that I agree with that the average warrior is blessed.

As an example, if you rolled up 100 LUs, that more than 50 of them would be at least +1 overall or better.

I have not actually crunched the numbers, but to me this feels right.

Any thoughts on this?

-DK

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:39 pm

Kellumbo wrote:

Along these lines not too long ago, OAB made an observation that I agree with that the average warrior is blessed.

As an example, if you rolled up 100 LUs, that more than 50 of them would be at least +1 overall or better.

I have not actually crunched the numbers, but to me this feels right.

Any thoughts on this?

-DK

Interesting. I don't have the volume of warriors either you or OAB could produce, but this is possible. I suspect it would not be over 50% for me, even just at +1, but the mere thought that I have to stop and think is a good indication that the number of bonusses is fairly high.

I can say with conviction that I have had many more warriors on the plus side than I have had on the negative.

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:47 pm

MarmaDuke wrote:

- A Total Parry can't be lucky/hosed in Parry, whereas a Waste could be lucky/hosed in Parry.

I know there are exceptions to every rule but I thought I would put out there that I have an inactive TP in 36 that is At least +3 in PAR, I was thinking about just running her in tourneys.

Advanced Master Poster Joined: Apr 15, 2003 Posts: 309

gentleben wrote:

MarmaDuke wrote:

- A Total Parry can't be lucky/hosed in Parry, whereas a Waste could be lucky/hosed in Parry.

I know there are exceptions to every rule but I thought I would put out there that I have an inactive TP in 36 that is At least +3 in PAR, I was thinking about just running her in tourneys.

I've been playing pretty regularly since 1987 and have never seen a TP blessed in parry.

my guess is your record keeping is off.

ArchMaster Poster Joined: Mar 10, 2008 Posts: 1999

Chief wrote:

my guess is your record keeping is off.

Agreed. Been playing since 1985 and have never seen anyone with a blessed in parry TP.

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:21 am

Tripwire wrote:

Chief wrote:

my guess is your record keeping is off.

Agreed. Been playing since 1985 and have never seen anyone with a blessed in parry TP.

Agree with Tip and others that we have not seen a blessed parry TP, and no one has made more TP's that us over the 25+ years. (An anomole or a records error?)

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:26 am

Kellumbo wrote:

Along these lines not too long ago, OAB made an observation that I agree with that the average warrior is blessed.

As an example, if you rolled up 100 LUs, that more than 50 of them would be at least +1 overall or better.

I have not actually crunched the numbers, but to me this feels right.

Any thoughts on this?

-DK

Just went through 150 active warriors, with more TP's and ST's than others, but all styles represented .....

blessed in skill (and some in Endu or Damage) 51
blessed in endu/damage only 8
hosed in skills (net hosed, may have had a bless balanced by hose) 10

use it for what it is worth

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:55 am

The Consortium wrote:

Kellumbo wrote:

Along these lines not too long ago, OAB made an observation that I agree with that the average warrior is blessed.

As an example, if you rolled up 100 LUs, that more than 50 of them would be at least +1 overall or better.

I have not actually crunched the numbers, but to me this feels right.

Any thoughts on this?

-DK

Just went through 150 active warriors, with more TP's and ST's than others, but all styles represented .....

blessed in skill (and some in Endu or Damage) 51
blessed in endu/damage only 8
hosed in skills (net hosed, may have had a bless balanced by hose) 10

use it for what it is worth

Yeah, the tricky part is you said *active* warriors, and many of us only play what we consider the better guys. You are certainly on the far end of the scale as far as what you deem runnable, but even the great Consortium draws the line somewhere on horrible guys.

I'm a little amazed that out of 150 guys, you only have 8 that are blessed in damage or endurance.

-DK

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:29 am

Since we are going there.

I have quiter a few anomoly fighters since some are very old. but one fairly new one from the 90's is 9-13-8-17-21-3-13 PL WITH ACCORDING TO BAGMAN II BASE 7 INIT & TERRABLOODS BASE 8 INIT but his actual base was (2) so he is -6 or -5? which contradicts the 4 +- max. There is absolutely no errors with this guy unless he had learns he did not actually get. I have not needed to check with RSI since his ratings have occured correctly.

is this just a chart error giving him an init he should not have?
Bagman has 3 init in DFT and -6 init for PL
terrablood has 2 init in dft and -4 init for PL

I do not have enough PL to make any kind of analysis on this.

Sincerely Purple Sage

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:56 am

Quote:

s this just a chart error giving him an init he should not have?

If it's Init, it's often a chart error. Double check your records though. The thought is that there at least one Init missing somewhere....not uncommon to see WS's with +1 or -1 Init bonuses too even though they shouldn't have them.

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:38 am

Kellumbo wrote:

The Consortium wrote:

Kellumbo wrote:

Along these lines not too long ago, OAB made an observation that I agree with that the average warrior is blessed.

As an example, if you rolled up 100 LUs, that more than 50 of them would be at least +1 overall or better.

I have not actually crunched the numbers, but to me this feels right.

Any thoughts on this?

-DK

Just went through 150 active warriors, with more TP's and ST's than others, but all styles represented .....

blessed in skill (and some in Endu or Damage) 51
blessed in endu/damage only 8
hosed in skills (net hosed, may have had a bless balanced by hose) 10

use it for what it is worth

Yeah, the tricky part is you said *active* warriors, and many of us only play what we consider the better guys. You are certainly on the far end of the scale as far as what you deem runnable, but even the great Consortium draws the line somewhere on horrible guys.

I'm a little amazed that out of 150 guys, you only have 8 that are blessed in damage or endurance.

-DK

Not quite true. Some of the blessed, as stated, are blessed in skills AND physicals. Without going back through the 51, we'd estimate 12-15 had physical blessings.