Oct 09 Mail-In Spoilers

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:09 pm

PurpleSage wrote:

Managerr wrote:

Your dead warriors who die in the living tourney have to wait until next year. It's always been that way.

When you select "living tourney only", they are talking about movement your guy to the dead tourney only if he dies between the time you sent your strategy and before the tourney starts. (You know, when overviews came out on time and people weren't frantically rushing to send their stuff in days before the tourney arrived)

Uh no I beg to differ that is why the old forms all have the box living tourney only on them. the original was a default you fought in the dead if you died if you did not check the box.

Sorry my friend but you have made a fop-ah.

Sincerely Purple Sage

Manager is 100% correct. Tis you who made the faux pas.

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:10 pm

Managerr wrote:

Quote:

Uh no I beg to differ that is why the old forms all have the box living tourney only on them. the original was a default you fought in the dead if you died if you did not check the box.

Sorry my friend but you have made a fop-ah.

Uh, no I haven't.

Agreed, Manager is correct. No warrior has ever switched tournies, going from a living class into a dead class mid-tournament.

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:15 pm

TMM wrote:

Managerr wrote:

Quote:

Uh no I beg to differ that is why the old forms all have the box living tourney only on them. the original was a default you fought in the dead if you died if you did not check the box.

Sorry my friend but you have made a fop-ah.

Uh, no I haven't.

Agreed, Manager is correct. No warrior has ever switched tournies, going from a living class into a dead class mid-tournament.

I will see if I can fiond a record of it but I was sure it happened to me in the past. But I sure aiin't perfect but I distinctly remember being told if you did not mark when it first came out the living tourney only that they automatically fought in the dead tourney which increased revenue for RSI. I will differ to the numbers and say I must be wrong.

Sincerely Purple Sage
p.s. thanks for the spell correct I was trying to remember who to write it and spell correct offered bad advise for my error. LOL

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:17 pm

On the tourney announcement it says:

"If you want your warrior to fight only in the Living Tourney, check the "Living Tourney Only" box on the strategy sheet. (Even if he's alive now, what if he dies, the Gods forbid, between now and the tourney? Check this box only if you don't want him to fight in the Dead Tourney if he dies.)"

Therefore, it's understandable if this text threw you off.

SwineTiger

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:21 pm

SwineTiger wrote:

On the tourney announcement it says:

"If you want your warrior to fight only in the Living Tourney, check the "Living Tourney Only" box on the strategy sheet. (Even if he's alive now, what if he dies, the Gods forbid, between now and the tourney? Check this box only if you don't want him to fight in the Dead Tourney if he dies.)"

Therefore, it's understandable if this text threw you off.

SwineTiger

wow thanks I had never caught it that way. Thank you.

I was wrong and stand corrected. Not the first time lol/

Sincerely Purple Sage

Grandmaster Poster Joined: Mar 10, 2008 Posts: 915

Visionst01 wrote:

As for Kellumbo's Init's, you can look at it both ways. Cool that his guys kept winning and eliminated everyone else early or bad that the game has gotten to the point where someone could actually flood a class with warriors and basiically buy a TC.

I gotta say, this rubbed me the wrong way. As his alliance mate I gotta come to his defense and say he only sent 19 total inits including 1 5FE untimed guy. Some of them he just ran seeking skills for later tournaments as well. The assumption that he must have flooded the class and "paid" for anything is pretty crass.

I have been in many tournaments where one person sends more than 50 and sometimes 100 to a single class. 19 is hardly flooding anything.

It was a great accomplishment and to say he "bought" anything is unfounded.

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:24 pm

Tripwire wrote:

Visionst01 wrote:

As for Kellumbo's Init's, you can look at it both ways. Cool that his guys kept winning and eliminated everyone else early or bad that the game has gotten to the point where someone could actually flood a class with warriors and basiically buy a TC.

I gotta say, this rubbed me the wrong way. As his alliance mate I gotta come to his defense and say he only sent 19 total inits including 1 5FE untimed guy. Some of them he just ran seeking skills for later tournaments as well. The assumption that he must have flooded the class and "paid" for anything is pretty crass.

I have been in many tournaments where one person sends more than 50 and sometimes 100 to a single class. 19 is hardly flooding anything.

It was a great accomplishment and to say he "bought" anything is unfounded.

I dont think he went into it trying to flood the class. Just so happened there just werent that many inits so he ended up having 1/7 of the class. If there were 300 inits then 19 would seem smaller. 19 out of 140 is a decent amount but i wouldnt say a flood..maybe a hard rain Smile

Even so still had to beat 120 other guys to win and the fact he eliminated them all before round 10 is amazing. The fact that no one had an uber guy to sneak in there is crazy. Dont know his breakdown on styles but if he had solid wingman can see how this could happen in a small class. Maybe I need to stockpile for one class at the FTF ..oh wait my guys suck so that really wouldnt work for me Smile

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:42 pm

Another way to look at the "flooding" concept is this - if I were to hypothetically run, say 200 guys, in inits, chances are Kellumbo's 19 guys would still be where they were (unless I remembered to armor my favorite scum, and then it would be 1 Cool

. Quantity can't surpass skill in this game.

SwineTiger

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:34 pm

Speaking as one whose words were often taken not as they were intended I think this was misinterpreted a bit.

He states that it's sad that the state of the game has gotten to the point where someone could basically buy a TC. I think he meant it was an unintended consequence of the oft stated shrinking of the game that he unwittingly flooded a class. As TGG said had there been even just twice the number of Inits it would have been a modest group of warriors at roughly 7%. Instead a mixture of waning managers, late announcement, lack of minis, and what some perceive a marginal prize (unless you have an uber AB dead and mistimed) left DK with almost 15% of a class. I know I saved my prize mod ST in champs hoping for a good prize in the spring and developing some wingman to guide him along his way.

I don't think he said he bought the TC; the word basically is the "key" word in that paragraph. I think the offense should be that we have shriveled to the point that this game is no longer a huge moneymaker that cannot be ignored as it sometimes seems to be. Saw a website that estimates RSI has annual sales of between $1M and $2.5M annually (website was updated in Sept. 2009), I'm betting next year said website may say under $1M.

It was impressive that he eliminated everyone else regardless, I'd guess someone would say they sent at least 1 uber godling type into Inits, even if not the fact ALL his warriors started so quick is a rare feat indeed.

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I think 1M to 2.5M is high. There were 2000 warriors sent this tourney.
Just estimate 10k warriors a year so thats 70k. Does regular arena plus the other games make 2M a year?

I would estimate revenue at 300k or so. Duel2 is a labor of love for Lee and Sandy I think.

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:28 pm

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I would estimate revenue at 300k or so. Duel2 is a labor of love for Lee and Sandy I think.

I'd estimate profit at 300k at least. They do have two other games...

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:47 pm

It was a business credit line based website that offered a full report for a fee. Don't forget RUs bought, and The Consortium pays somebody's salary by himself Laughing

. And the other 2 games, one being named game of the year will help.

That said it does list it as "sales" and they do have a fairly hefty overhead of postage, and lots of paper, where you figure for those many 1 fighter in an arena managers could be 10% in that case, or those times when a guy gets 6 awards in the small arenas they're sending out 3 turns worth of postage for free. When a team goes inactice 2 turns of minimum postage to send out the arena NL. I would say they MIGHT net 50% at best not knowing how many paid employees there are and how many are percentage owners it's not as impressive as it might sound.

Master Poster Joined: Jul 15, 2008 Posts: 212

Congrats to all the winners, especially DK. Pretty cool.

Now to my weirdness. Once upon a time, I created an AB. When his roll up came back, it came back as a PR. I called, it was corrected, and I received a new roll up for the same warrior with a new id #, but as the AB instead of a PR.

My AB fought well for 12 glorious turns, but died at 9-3. I tried to fight him in the tourney of the dead, but instead of the AB fighting, the PR of the same name but different id #, fought in rookies. WTF?

The funny thing is he actually won a couple fights using an AB strat. Unfortunately, I have to wait until next year to try to bring back my AB.

So, I guess my question is, if this guy fought as a rookie PR, can I fight him in the arena now? I have an available spot on his arena team.

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:57 pm

Tripwire wrote:

Visionst01 wrote:

As for Kellumbo's Init's, you can look at it both ways. Cool that his guys kept winning and eliminated everyone else early or bad that the game has gotten to the point where someone could actually flood a class with warriors and basiically buy a TC.

I gotta say, this rubbed me the wrong way. As his alliance mate I gotta come to his defense and say he only sent 19 total inits including 1 5FE untimed guy. Some of them he just ran seeking skills for later tournaments as well. The assumption that he must have flooded the class and "paid" for anything is pretty crass.

I have been in many tournaments where one person sends more than 50 and sometimes 100 to a single class. 19 is hardly flooding anything.

It was a great accomplishment and to say he "bought" anything is unfounded.

Kellumbo, I apologize if you feel the second part of my statement was directed towards you persosnally. That is not what I meant and even after reading it several times, I still don't see where I said YOU flooded the class.

The 2nd part of the statement was clearly directed towards the sad state of the game and that the game has gotten to the point where SOMEONE could flood a class and BASICALLY buy a TC and that is true.

ArchMaster Poster Joined: Apr 15, 2004 Posts: 1443

In the spirit of this being a Spoilers thread, here is a TC/RU list. I don't know all the managers, so if you know one that isn't listed or I've made a mistake, just say so and I'll edit it in.

Primus
TC: Sebastian AB (LHI)
RU: Rabid-Gerbil AB (Guardian)

Contenders
TC: The Reaper AB (Chief Illiniwek)
RU: Iron Soldier LU (Guardian)

Eligibles
TC: Littlest Tyrant AB (TMM)
RU: Stupid Sexy Flanders AB (TMM)

ADM
TC: Napoleon Dynamite AB (TMM)
RU: Akeldama AB (Jekyll)

Freshman
TC: Achondroplasia LU (Soultaker)
RU: Wayward Son AB (Mannequin)

Challengers
TC: Wolverine LU (Guardian)
RU: Prisoner 0227 ST (OAB)

Champions
TC: Sigmund Freud PR (Soultaker)
RU: Bedrock Criminal ST (TMM)

Adepts
TC: Maranda ST (Kellumbo)
RU: Copsar SL (Jakari)

Initiates
TC: Dollyrot LU (Kellumbo)
RU: Trinity LU (Kellumbo)

Apprentices
TC: Perfect Drug WS (TMM)
RU: Holly ST (Managerr)

Rookies
TC: The Lion King AB (the Dark One)
RU: Balisong LU

Dead Challengers
TC: One Man Gang ST (Guardian)
RU: Crystobelle ST (Chief Illiniwek)

Dead Champions
TC: Black Gold SL (Chief Illiniwek)
RU: Prisoner B91 AB (OAB)

Dead Adepts
TC: 69! ST (Guardian)
RU: Gum Fin ST (TMM)

Dead Initiates
TC: John McKinney ST (The Anarchist)
RU: Massage Palace ST (TMM)

Dead Apprentices
TC: Herbert West ST (the Dark One)
RU: Skitzoid Snoopy AB (Marma Duke)