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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:19 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

One Armed Bandit wrote:
Longshot wrote:
I am surprised at he choice of a 3 WIT Aimed Blow. How would you run him? Is he smart enough to use any weapons?


The secret to weapon selection for 3 WT Aimed Blows is two-fold: first, the Fist is a great AB weapon, and second, there are no WT requirements for off-hand weapons. So with a warrior such as this, I would run him FI/SC. And for some annoying reason, these types of warriors attack with that off-hand SC far more often than expected.

I would also armor this guy up with as much as he can reasonably carry and not be overencumbered and run some sort of middle-of-the-road defensive strategy, looking for his favorite numbers.


No wit requirements for off-hand weapons? Huh. I learned something new. Wish I had known that while my guy worked his way through basic. Still, a good lesson.

And I think this guy is good for an arena manager as well as a tourney manager. Perhaps not as good if you don't want that long term goal, but still interesting.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:31 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

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While I too would roll this as 15-10-7-3-21-7-21 AB, I think we first have to ask ourselves what our individual goals are as DM managers.... ..... for a manager who doesn't run in tournies, I can see the reasoning for wanting a higher WT warrior, as the learn rate on a 3WT is painfully slow.


Well, thank you. I was beginning to feel like an imbecile. Now I know that a 3 wit has some (limited) potential, given a certain set of circumstances. Good to know (I GUESS...) I still wouldn't run it that way, but I'll file this with all the other little oddities...

And yes, that's why I put these questions out there. I really want to know what other managers think. As long as there's no name-calling, I can take the rebuke. Wink

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:24 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

In addition to FI/BA (or whatever other off hand nastiness you want to employ), you can use the spears only lacking 2 wit and the DA lacking 4 wit.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:39 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

KidArcane wrote:
MarmaDuke wrote:
While I too would roll this as 15-10-7-3-21-7-21 AB, I think we first have to ask ourselves what our individual goals are as DM managers.... ..... for a manager who doesn't run in tournies, I can see the reasoning for wanting a higher WT warrior, as the learn rate on a 3WT is painfully slow.


Well, thank you. I was beginning to feel like an imbecile. Now I know that a 3 wit has some (limited) potential, given a certain set of circumstances. Good to know (I GUESS...) I still wouldn't run it that way, but I'll file this with all the other little oddities...

And yes, that's why I put these questions out there. I really want to know what other managers think. As long as there's no name-calling, I can take the rebuke. Wink


I don't think anyone is trying to call you an imbecile. And Marma is right, everyone has their own goals to this game. But I think most of the people responding here are trying to get you to be aware and open to a different type of warrior design that is very successful, though perhaps counterintuitive.

Trust me, when I was first exposed to this type of AB, I was a little skeptical as well. Most of us learned this game in the 90's where Wit was the most important stat, and being stupid limited your ceiling. But this game has evolved and if you are willing to embrace new strategies, even in the face of old time conventional wisdom, you would see the awesome possibilities this warrior has to offer. And if you think "(limited) potential" is when this type of warrior regularly TC's ADM and Eligibles tournies, including at the most recent Face in Philly, then you are probably right.

That being said, this guy does take alot of patience running him up from Rookies to graduation. So maybe it isn't for everybody. But if you are willing to put in the work, kind of like with an NFL rookie project that is plenty raw with loads of talent, it would be worth it in the end. Hey who knows, you might even end up with a Hall of Famer!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:59 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

KidArcane wrote:
One Armed Bandit wrote:
Looks like a 15-10-7-3-21-7-21 AB to me. Would make a fine Rookie, Apprentice, and ADM-level warrior.

I could also see an argument for a non-AB at 17-14-7-3-21-7-15. Probably TP, but maybe something different like a BA.

This guy wouldn't visit the Dark Arena on any of my teams.


15-10-7-3-21-7-21 AB YOU'RE KIDDIN' ME!! I considered this, of course -- for about one second!! That three WIT has me nervous. I've rarely run anything less than 9 wit, and that I bumped to nine as quickly as possible. Can a three WIT actually do more than just stand around and be a target dummy?

And as a TP, I might try it, but that CN was just too low. I considered the TP style, as 14-15-7-5-21-7-15, with the idea of raising WT to 7, but I considered THAT as too risky and, ultimately, another stupid guy just standing around to get hit. What good are they? And not much fun to run, getting pummeled every turn...

So seriously, can a 3 WT warrior do anything useful?? Confused


Oh yes they can. I believe TMM's WoS, John Ashcroft from Zorpunt, started out with a 3 WT. It would let you pound on it whilst occasionally swinging and cracking your skull with his 21 ST! Just wanted to add also don't be afraid to give your TPs a 3-7 WT, especially if the points can go into more important areas(ie WL CN). If you get tired of it needing 40 or 50 FE to graduate you could always just DA it even with a 25-12 record. Cool After all that's one of the beautiful things about this game: You're the boss!

As to what I'd make it:

14-9-7-3-15-7-15 -----> 14-9-7-5-21-7-21 AB

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:23 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Please refresh my memory. What is FE?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:58 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

FE = Fight Equivalent. You gain 1 FE for every fight in the arena (unless you died in that fight) and you gain 1 FE every time you fight on an odd turn in a tournament.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:59 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Nothing to see here... move along.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:00 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Daikkan wrote:
FE = Fight Equivalent. You gain 1 FE for every fight in the arena (unless you died in that fight) and you gain 1 FE every time you fight on an odd turn in a tournament.

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thanks. I don't remember seeing those before.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 3:44 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I bet if someone took the time to count the # of skills learned by a 3 witter through its career to ADM and a 9 Wit warrior they would be VERY close.

Something like .5 to 1.5 or something like that.

So for .5 to 1 skill a fight you are giving up some seriously good starting skills and possibility to be able to have a great ADM warrior even if you aren't going to use him in tournaments.

If you have an AB with 21 WL and 21 DF and you aren't planning on going into tourneys, the minute you graduate that is basically a 25 WL, 25 DF warrior right off the bat! Then with the 25 WL you simply hit the other stats MUCH faster.

Seems a no brainer to me even if you are only playing in the arena.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:06 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Well, we have a 3WTer in the arena (yes 21WL/DF) who has 20FE - trained stats in 10; in the 10 training skills, he has learned 3 for 0.30 skills per fight. Hey! He has his Exp in Attack!


Tripwire wrote:
I bet if someone took the time to count the # of skills learned by a 3 witter through its career to ADM and a 9 Wit warrior they would be VERY close.

Something like .5 to 1.5 or something like that.

So for .5 to 1 skill a fight you are giving up some seriously good starting skills and possibility to be able to have a great ADM warrior even if you aren't going to use him in tournaments.

If you have an AB with 21 WL and 21 DF and you aren't planning on going into tourneys, the minute you graduate that is basically a 25 WL, 25 DF warrior right off the bat! Then with the 25 WL you simply hit the other stats MUCH faster.

Seems a no brainer to me even if you are only playing in the arena.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 2:24 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I can't resist. What's his style and record? Shocked

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 2:56 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

KidArcane wrote:
I can't resist. What's his style and record? Shocked


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