Ultimate Fighter

Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:22 am

Things having been tense lately I figured I'd throw out something else to talk about: Ultimate Fighter Heavyweights

On paper the top name matchup is upcoming so I was just wondering if anyone thinks Kimbo Slice has anything but a "punchers chance" to win against an experienced Roy Nelson?

I personally think I give Kimbo a slightly better than even chance to win it's just the wondering if he has a glass jaw or whether that was a lucky shot that stunned him and prevented him from defending himself.

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:39 am

Kind of surprised they didn't rig an easier first round match up for him, but I think he's got a shot. (Granted, I'm far from an MMA junkie, only a casual fan)

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:56 am

Really Kimbo should have nothing but a punchers chance in this fight. If Nelson is smart he gets the fight to the ground right away and submits kimbo. The stand up is probably equal but I would have to give Roy the advantage of a better chin.

As for the rest of the show the first 2 fights have showed a real lack of talent in the HW division. No wonder they havent done a HW TUF since season 2. So far it seems like a bunch of huge guys with limited skills and cardio. Two terrible fights to start this season. It can only get better but it could also just stay terrible as well.

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:10 am

Wretch wrote:

Really Kimbo should have nothing but a punchers chance in this fight. If Nelson is smart he gets the fight to the ground right away and submits kimbo. The stand up is probably equal but I would have to give Roy the advantage of a better chin.

As for the rest of the show the first 2 fights have showed a real lack of talent in the HW division. No wonder they havent done a HW TUF since season 2. So far it seems like a bunch of huge guys with limited skills and cardio. Two terrible fights to start this season. It can only get better but it could also just stay terrible as well.

I'm not sure if it was pure editing, or "for (the) show", but Kimbo shows some ability to learn and if you've seen his street fights on youtube he has taken some tremendous punches but that last fight on TV (the 10 second one-punch KO) has me wondering. I watched some of the IFL but don't remember much about Nelson (must not have impressed me) so I don't recall what kind of chin he has, or even if he had a ground game.

I agree that last fight was HORRIBLE. Neither guy could even breathe after 2 rounds and the one was a former Football player. Judging has always been suspect on the show as well so hopefully it's about a 2-minute all out bar room brawl! Call me a sucker but my "bunion" says Kimbo will win even though I think Nelson is better.

Isn't this the first elimination bout? I can't see Dana White allowing his big draw to be gone in week 3 so if it goes to the cards expect a Kimbo win (maybe that's what my "bunion" senses) !

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:17 am

Street_Legal wrote:

Wretch wrote:

Really Kimbo should have nothing but a punchers chance in this fight. If Nelson is smart he gets the fight to the ground right away and submits kimbo. The stand up is probably equal but I would have to give Roy the advantage of a better chin.

As for the rest of the show the first 2 fights have showed a real lack of talent in the HW division. No wonder they havent done a HW TUF since season 2. So far it seems like a bunch of huge guys with limited skills and cardio. Two terrible fights to start this season. It can only get better but it could also just stay terrible as well.

I'm not sure if it was pure editing, or "for (the) show", but Kimbo shows some ability to learn and if you've seen his street fights on youtube he has taken some tremendous punches but that last fight on TV (the 10 second one-punch KO) has me wondering. I watched some of the IFL but don't remember much about Nelson (must not have impressed me) so I don't recall what kind of chin he has, or even if he had a ground game.

I agree that last fight was HORRIBLE. Neither guy could even breathe after 2 rounds and the one was a former Football player. Judging has always been suspect on the show as well so hopefully it's about a 2-minute all out bar room brawl! Call me a sucker but my "bunion" says Kimbo will win even though I think Nelson is better.

Isn't this the first elimination bout? I can't see Dana White allowing his big draw to be gone in week 3 so if it goes to the cards expect a Kimbo win (maybe that's what my "bunion" senses) !

Dana doesnt really have a say in who wins the fights unless you think hes rigging them. Kimbo isnt really eliminated even if he loses. He gets to stay and train and could possibly get back into a fight if someone gets hurt. Plus they havent really showed any in house stuff yet so you can still work Kimbo into the show that way.

As for Roy he has a real good ground game. He fought Arlovski and was controlling him on the ground. He might have actually finished him but the ref stood them up and Roy got TKOed

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:27 pm

I'm going Kimbo in a surprising submission win in 2.

I'm definately picking Kimbo though submit, (T)KO,or decision. It's been raining and my trick knee agrees with my bunion ( if I really had one) !

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:02 pm

Ok now C'mon that was utter BS!

Nelson was doing ZERO damage if anything the fight should've been stood up because there was no improvement of position and no damage being done. If this is what HW fighting becomes then I'll stick to watching the lighter weights and Boxing. If you can lay on a guy and tap him on the head and win then this is just like Pro Wrestling. Granted Kimbo has no ground game but as Rampage said, "How do you get the moon off you?"

GIVE ME A FIGHT!

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:04 pm

Rigged!!!! (At least they tried to)

Never want to see another Heavyweight Edition again.

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 8:03 am

The problem with the HW division has always been a lack of skill. Most of the fighters are good at one thing and suck at everything else. This is why there has only been 2 HW seasons of TUF and why there probably wont be another one for a long time.

I thought Kimbo looked pretty good on his feet but his ground game was terrible. As for the stoppage it was really stupid but there was nothing the ref could do. He couldnt stand it up as Roy was in a dominant position and Kimbo couldnt get out of it. Sure no damage was being done and Roy was being a cheap bastard winning that way but it was a win.

Damn these fights are terrible. I am glad I can fastforawrd through all the boring junk. I am with Manager though no more HW TUF.

Advanced Expert Poster Joined: Apr 15, 2003 Posts: 123

good article on Kimbo and the effect he's had on The Ultimate Fighter

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_ylt=Av3KOoooDjAO16Qm18OIcqM5nYcB?slug=dw-kimbo093009&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

thought the post fight comments were pretty funny last night - can't remember who it was (Dana IIRC) making the comment about how Nelson was acting as though he had pulled off this huge win, when all he did was lay on the guy and hit him like Dana's daughter hits him when they play around

Grandmaster Poster Joined: Mar 10, 2008 Posts: 905

Kimbo is horrible. He is a nice guy in real life but has zero ground skill or jujitsu which means your a boxer not an MMA fighter.

He needs to work strictly on ground game and ju-jitsu before even going into the UFC or he will continue to get embarassed.

I knew with nearly 100% certainty that any fighter in the house was going to beat him. None are going to stand with him. This isn't boxing or kickboxing. No matter who he fights they will take him to the ground every time. Its smart.

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:25 pm

Rumor has it that he's in the UFC one way or the other. He's supposed to be on either the TUF 10 finale undercard (if he doensn't make the finals) or UFC 107 for his next fight.

Since this fight was taped in June hopefully he's spent the last 4 months working on his ground game.

That said they might as well add a pin count to MMa's HW division since that's what happened here. I thought he was going to win by "Belly Choke" the way he laid on his face for about 20 seconds before getting the crucifix mount.

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:50 pm

From what I hear Kimbo has been training his jits at American Top Team.

Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:48 am

Chief wrote:

good article on Kimbo and the effect he's had on The Ultimate Fighter

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_ylt=Av3KOoooDjAO16Qm18OIcqM5nYcB?slug=dw-kimbo093009&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

thought the post fight comments were pretty funny last night - can't remember who it was (Dana IIRC) making the comment about how Nelson was acting as though he had pulled off this huge win, when all he did was lay on the guy and hit him like Dana's daughter hits him when they play around

Yeah I'd like to see Dana White say "You know your right why don't you go fight Frank Mir now that your so good or maybe Lesnar." Tell him if you win you can get your "double whopper with cheese."

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:22 pm

Well another snoozer. I guess I just keep watching to see if there will be a good fight. Considering Sims has fought the likes of Frank Mir I was shocked how inept he looked. I also have lost any respect I may have had for Rampage as a person for the second straight week ignoring his fighter after he loses. He's lost his team's respect I believe and will not be able to urge anything extra out of them. I SOOO hope my Spartan homeboy Evans chokes him out and laughs at his limp body and reminds him of what he did with his team on this show! Go 8-0 Team Evans!

Am I incorrect in saying that they called the submission wrong? It looked more like a D'arce choke than an arm triangle that finished the fight to me. I've only seen 2 other fights end in a D'arce choke and both looked exactly like that one, using the victim's arm in the choke to make it tighter. It is considered the tightest choke hold and hardest to break, not to mention very rare.