4-11-7-12-12-8-16

Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:37 pm

Just got this little beauty back, I'm trying to decide between either:
4-11-7-12-12-8-16 > 7-11-7-17-17-8-17 LU

or 5-11-7-17-15-8-21 AB or maybe something else?
50-50 on normal damage

He should be fun any way I make him.

ArchMaster Poster Joined: Apr 15, 2004 Posts: 1443

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50-50 on normal damage

Not likely. The damage information off the Terrablood Warrior Generator is based on warriors that have been input into their database. Some unpopular ST/SZ combinations have very little data. My guess is that there are two entries at 5 ST/7 SZ, one Little and one Normal.

If you reference the Damage Matrix, 5 ST/7 SZ is L+, so my guess is that you are at least 75% to get Little damage, if not higher. 7 ST/7 SZ, on the other hand, is at the bottom of -N+.

I would probably go with:

4-11-7-12-12-8-16 --> 7-11-7-15-15-8-21 AB

Expert Poster Joined: Mar 17, 2010 Posts: 89

why not do an AB with your trip 17's Or even A PL. Either way you have a wonderful choice to make. Don't get me wrong. I still love the LU version
I take it back The 21 is a better AB. just did some computing

Nice roll up

Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 5:39 pm

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5-11-7-17-15-8-21 AB or maybe something else?
50-50 on normal damage

I like your numbers for the aimed blow. I have a similar aimed blow that did pretty well this past tourney. Would of done better if not for the little damage, but still pretty good.

I know another aimer that TC'd with numbers also pretty close to these. But he lucked out with normal damage.

And I think he would be fun to run!

Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:01 pm

I like the 5 STR version AB. Unlike the other offensive styles, the AB doesn't really suffer too much from Little Damage.

I tend to like lower Wit ABs, but they are a mixed bag--either awesome or barely breaking .500 in the arena. Something like 7-11-7-13-17-9-21. OAB is right though, if you go with the 5/7 combo, consider it a great blessing if it gets normal!

Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:49 pm

I think I'm leaning towards 7-11-7-13-17-8-21. Best skill distribution and 2 STR raises from SC. If you like him Darque, you'll love his teammates at 5-7-9-11-17-14-21 AB and 15-4-5-15-10-14-21 ambi AB +5 ATT. Tragic deaths ready to happen.

Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:15 pm

DeepThought wrote:

I think I'm leaning towards 7-11-7-13-17-8-21. Best skill distribution and 2 STR raises from SC. If you like him Darque, you'll love his teammates at 5-7-9-11-17-14-21 AB and 15-4-5-15-10-14-21 ambi AB +5 ATT. Tragic deaths ready to happen.

why pass on a 17 wit in favor of a 13 wit while only gaining 2 parry skills? with the 5-11-7-17-15-8-21 you get 2 extra init, 2 more riposte, 1 more defense, and attack and decise are the same. you're going to get little anyhow and you're still well suited to the SH.

or am i just too focused on the better skill set? any other style and i would reconsider.

Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:28 pm

DeepThought wrote:

I think I'm leaning towards 7-11-7-13-17-8-21. Best skill distribution and 2 STR raises from SC. If you like him Darque, you'll love his teammates at 5-7-9-11-17-14-21 AB and 15-4-5-15-10-14-21 ambi AB +5 ATT. Tragic deaths ready to happen.

I opt for the Will over Wit now, but my very first AB showed me that careful management and a little (okay, a lot) of luck is what it takes to get them immortal. 8-5-9-21-7-13-21--Very Frail, Very Little Endurance, but he TV'd twice (Apprentices and Champs) and was a beast in the arena too.

Don't be scared to run them. They may die, but then again they may dominate. You just never know til you try and you might as well shoot the moon if you are going to do it!

ArchMaster Poster Joined: Apr 15, 2004 Posts: 1443

If I was hell-bent on 17 WT, I would probably go with:

4-11-7-12-12-8-16 --> 8-11-7-17-12-8-21 AB

Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:51 pm

bubbaganoosh wrote:

why pass on a 17 wit in favor of a 13 wit while only gaining 2 parry skills? with the 5-11-7-17-15-8-21 you get 2 extra init, 2 more riposte, 1 more defense, and attack and decise are the same. you're going to get little anyhow and you're still well suited to the SH.

or am i just too focused on the better skill set? any other style and i would reconsider.

I can't speak for DT, but my reasoning is thus:

1) Unless its his fave, he won't learn or use the Init
2) Rip will come in bunches
3) More defense is always desirable, so I have no counter to the extra skill
4) Attack is irrelevant because they learn it so quickly
5) Decise is helpful for early wins and survival in general

6) You are two trains away from suitability to SC
7) Better chance at Normal Dmg.
Cool

Higher Will typically equates into better survivability (though it may just be splitting hairs talking about a 2 point difference here--but every bit of Will for a death/quit check can be helpful).

Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:20 pm

I'd do the 5-11-7-17-15-8-21 AB. Little damage doesnt affect an aimer as much(and you might get lucky anyways) and they can still shred plate armor with daggers.
TGG

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:59 am

Why not 9-11-7-17-13-8-19 P-Riposte?

I know everyone wants to jump on that 21 DF, but I've messed around with low ST warriors and have only been frustrated. If they can't do at least normal damage, they just get knocked around.

I prefer high WT warriors also. Skills skills skills Smile

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:08 am

KidArcane wrote:

Why not 9-11-7-17-13-8-19 P-Riposte?

I know everyone wants to jump on that 21 DF, but I've messed around with low ST warriors and have only been frustrated. If they can't do at least normal damage, they just get knocked around.

I prefer high WT warriors also. Skills skills skills Smile

low ST warriors would normally be knocked around... but not an AB. the damage they do in regards to their ST and damage rating is not normal. they can be effective with little damage.

and the 19 DF is a waste of 2 points IMHO.

it seems like if you have an opportunity to get a 17/15/21 AB you gotta take it.

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:02 am

bubbaganoosh wrote:

KidArcane wrote:

Why not 9-11-7-17-13-8-19 P-Riposte?

I know everyone wants to jump on that 21 DF, but I've messed around with low ST warriors and have only been frustrated. If they can't do at least normal damage, they just get knocked around.

I prefer high WT warriors also. Skills skills skills Smile

low ST warriors would normally be knocked around... but not an AB. the damage they do in regards to their ST and damage rating is not normal. they can be effective with little damage.

and the 19 DF is a waste of 2 points IMHO.

I have to agree about the low strength Ab. I have a little damage AB that dices plate with epee and dagger. You would defintiley be happy with the 5-11-7-17-15-8-21 AB.

it seems like if you have an opportunity to get a 17/15/21 AB you gotta take it.

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:17 am

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He should be fun any way I make him.

I vote for this!

I am not sure what I'd do with this if it were mine. There are lots of fun designs to play with. Assuming it was on an active team and I was gonna run it in the arena, here is my design right now:

4-11-7-12-12-8-16 -> 7-11-7-17-17-8-17 PS

If I did this again in 30 minutes, I'd give you something else. If it was a tourney team, I probably sit on it and wait until I'm sure I know what I want to do.